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Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by weinzierl on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @03:53AM (#36968182)
This is probably a very stupid question, but why is simply measuring resistance not enough to conclusively prove that it is a superconductor. I mean, isn't zero resistance the defining property?
Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by OJFord on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:34AM (#36968468)
I think if it was actually zero it would be? The issue I think is impurity/defects in the manufactured samples, so there's non-superconducting bits in addition to the allegedly superconducting bits.
Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by vrotaru on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:06AM (#36968269)
Well, I guess, that are islands of superconductivity and normal conductivity in the same sample.

This gives a low resistance and diamagnetism which is used as proxy to real superconductivity.

I may be wrong though.

Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by rvnx on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:15AM (#36968693)
Just guessing: I would say not enough because the sample is extremely small and there is chance that the electrons jump from each sides of the probes, skipping the sample ? (like a short-circuit) + the fact that the probes themselves are not superconductor, so there is a natural accepted tolerance in the measures (claimed to be due to the probes)
Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by mianos on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:49AM (#36969567)
If the video is to be believed, the samples shown are huge compared to a, trivial to make, pulled or cut platinum wire probe. You could just put it on a plate in an SPM and measure it.

So many questions. I assume this is all possible but they are focussing on one thing at a time to duplicate the results, if possible.

Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by baq on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:22AM (#36969386)
Measuring zero resistance turns out to be quite difficult because your measuring apparatus tends to have some resistance in itself.

Perhaps heating it up while it levitates would be a better idea. Put the magnet in an oven together with the sample and bake?

Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by marcosdumay on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @11:42AM (#36972433)
Magnets have an annoying tendency to stop working when they are heated.

And it's ridiculous that I'm saying that on the context of testing a superconductor. But well, here we are.

Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by archontes on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:27PM (#36973969)
You could always use an electromagnet.
Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by jacquesm on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:28PM (#36973990)
A superconducting one?
Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by archontes on Thursday August 03, 2023 @12:51PM (#36988358)
No, we're talking about verifying superconductivity using a traditional magnet at an elevated temperature.
Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by marcosdumay on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:47PM (#36975196)
Yes, but that's quite a bit of extra complication on an experiment of some material that was announced into the world last Friday.

I do expect people to fully characterize it eventually.

Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by jacquesm on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:28PM (#36973985)
Indeed, that statement would have been really funny just a few weeks ago. Now you're going to have to wonder whether the magnet or the superconductor will fail first.

Neo magnet fabrication is fascinating by the way, the somewhat magnetized blanks are not all that impressive from a magnetic field strength point of view, but then you zap them with a strong enough field and they then suddenly are the best thing since sliced bread.

This technique was first developed for 'regular' ceramic magnets.

https://idealmagnetsolutions.com/knowledge-base/how-neodymiu...

An uncoated magnet will oxidize very fast, so you always have to ensure that the coating on any magnets you use is perfect or the magnet will surely fail.

Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by mensetmanusman on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:23AM (#36970554)
Because materials interfaces create weird effects.

You would use metals as your leads and create Josephson-junctions-like interfaces.

Basically the abrupt change in electron mobility across materials can cause knock on effects that dominate what you are trying to measure.

Interfacial engineering is one term in materials science that implements best practices for dealing with such challenges.