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Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by xorbax on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @11:07PM (#36966511)
They (1) claim not to know what the craft are, which somebody told him contained (2) nonhuman biological whatever

It could be a Chinese drone with rat-cell-on-a-chip inside it

The guy's testimony was that somebody told him stuff and it seemed scary. Congress made a dog and pony show that a significant chunk of people attended.

Parse the details, not the overarching fantasy.

The government admitted to doing this in the 70s-90s to keep not-so-strange technology hidden behind The Strange. Trim with Occam.

The ticTac videos aren't interesting if you look at the limitations of perspective and remember that Air Force pilots aren't supreme authorities for objectively assessing parallax and assigning airspeed to all moving objects while flying a fucking cracker attached to a rocket.

Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by tanseydavid on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @12:42AM (#36967039)
>> and remember that Air Force pilots aren't supreme authorities for objectively assessing parallax and assigning airspeed to all moving objects while flying a fucking cracker attached to a rocket.

They don't need to be "supreme authorities" on anything -- they have insane technology acting as their eyes and as their objective measuring and tracking systems.

Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by mannerheim on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:14AM (#36967578)
The technology itself in the 'Go Fast' video shows the object isn't moving fast. The distance from the object and the direction of the camera are available in the video, and using this you can calculate the altitude and speed of the object in question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyEO0jNt6M

Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by postalrat on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:28PM (#36973995)
You can calculate it to go many speeds depending on what assumptions are made. Just because mick west shows something is possible doesn't prove what's in the video.
Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by mannerheim on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:40PM (#36975097)
1) There's a range of speeds that are possible depending on what you assume the turning angle of the jet was. That range doesn't go anywhere close to the speed of sound.

2) The burden of proof is on those who make an extraordinary claim. There is a perfectly mundane explanation of the cause of apparently fast-moving object which is supported by available evidence. Even if that depends on some assumptions, you would have to demonstrate those assumptions to be false before a less likely alternative, i.e., that it was an extraterrestrial spacecraft, should be adopted.

Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by postalrat on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:50PM (#36975256)
A perfectly mundane explanation isn't proof. There isn't enough evidence in this case to prove it one way or another. That should be acceptable but for many people it isn't.
Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by ceejayoz on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @03:58PM (#36976415)
In that situation, though, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot applies, as we can’t prove the negative.
Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by postalrat on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:08PM (#36976578)
You are making the assertions here. You claim to know the speed of the object, the distance to it, the size, etc etc.
Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by ceejayoz on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:41PM (#36977083)
No, the assertion being made is that there are mundane possibilities for each of those values that have not been ruled out by the data/video we have.

To make the extraordinary claim more plausible, you have to rule out the more mundane possibilities. Prove it's doing something unusual. Until then, "we can't prove it either way" doesn't mean there's a 50/50 chance.

Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by xorbax on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @10:57PM (#36980831)
The people fighting for those recordings at this point have seen reasonable explanations and dismissed them

It's like the Flat Earth documentary where a group crowdfunds an absurd laser and, when it demonstrates the Earth's curvature, reason that they need to "troubleshoot" that 'flawed' result.

There is always a hand to wave.

Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by mannerheim on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:29PM (#36976908)
When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not unicorns.
Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by postalrat on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:23PM (#36977730)
Unless you can't see the horses. Then think horse spirits.
Re:Electronic Structure of LK-99 by xorbax on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @10:57PM (#36980838)
Or look for a slight hill