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Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by thal3s on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:37PM (#36961471)
It's funny how they always leave out all the negatives in articles like these.

Increased traffic? Time away from family? Higher gas and food bills? Quality of life?

Never covered. Just reams of text about poor landlords.

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by bluefishinit on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:40PM (#36961523)
It's written by a billionaire (Bloomberg) and published in another billionaire's paper (Bezos). If anything this should be a call to arms for labor.
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by ryaneager on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:53PM (#36962706)
Got my pitchfork and torch. Where to first?
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by avmich on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:19PM (#36963130)
Modern pitchfork is likely a keyboard, and you're right now in the right place.
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by JohnFen on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:04PM (#36962894)
Of course. How does the quality of life for us plebes protect or enhance the wealth of these people? It doesn't, therefore it's not worth mentioning (and may even be worth fighting).
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by intrasight on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:06PM (#36960922)
https://archive.ph/dZIHT

> Tell that to the taxpayers who are footing the bill for empty floor space and the costs of maintenance, as the GAO emphasizes.

So close those offices. Why are you wasting my tax dollars?

> Tell it to the small businesses that are suffering, whose tax payments fund city services.

It's not my duty as a taxpayer to subsidize these small businesses.

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by salawat on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:52PM (#36961711)
Then why are you subsidizing large ones through tax breaks?

Honestly, If anything I'd think small businesses would deserve more subsidization than large. Alas, one of these can afford full time lobbying staff, while the other cannot. Soooo... Yeah.

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by retrocryptid on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:02PM (#36961858)
Small businesses more deserving of government support than large? It may be true, but it's never going to happen.
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by intrasight on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @08:02PM (#36965036)
I'm fine with more small business stimuli. Doing that by mandating return to office isn't the right approach.
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by 71a54xd on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:42PM (#36961563)
If we stopped accepting jobs where they used surveillance software this problem would solve itself.

Startups have incredible precedent post-covid to not waste early capital on of all things... office space.

I used to be in the office camp, but you'd have to hold a gun to my head to waste 1/3 of my day sitting in traffic to sit in a desk to doodle on a computer somewhere else other than my home office.

That said, government employees in any form are stooges and the lowest of the bottom of the bucket. They're barely capable of doing their jobs in an office. (just renewed my passport)

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by Something1234 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:00PM (#36961816)
You need to read some books on how governments actually function. The purpose of government is to be able to run on stooges.

And many of them are motivated and decent human beings interested in making a difference in as many lives as possible. You don't have to be so angry at them.

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by retrocryptid on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:08PM (#36961951)
Sometimes government employees don't explain themselves and sometime laws, regulations and policies are pretty confusing. But yeah, always seemed govt. employees I encountered were trying to do their job as best they could.

It always stuck me as odd that in the states we don't trust the government but we trust big business.

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by JohnFen on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:07PM (#36962948)
> It always stuck me as odd that in the states we don't trust the government but we trust big business

It's more than odd. It's nonsensical.

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by starttoaster on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @06:05PM (#36963811)
> It always stuck me as odd that in the states we don't trust the government but we trust big business.

It's funny you say this because I don't think I know many people who trust either one.

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by ddoolin on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:28PM (#36963259)
Renewing your passport seems to me to be an exceptionally anti-citizen task. You can't do it in person (unless you're abroad, ironically), you can't do it online (pilot program which ended with no production in sight), you can't pay online, you must pay with a money order or check. The website looks to be about 30 years old and is janky to say the least.
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by bluefishinit on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:39PM (#36961506)
Ah Michael Bloomberg writing an anti-WFH opinion piece in Jeff Bezos's personal newspaper. Could anything be less ethical? Would anyone in their right mind take this seriously?
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by mydriasis on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:08PM (#36960958)
Hah! No they don't.

> Tell that to the taxpayers who are footing the bill for empty floor space and the costs of maintenance, as the GAO emphasizes.

Hey, that's me! I'm going to pay a ridiculous amount in taxes regardless, and they'll only keep increasing. The least you can do is let government workers do their jobs from the comfort of their own homes.

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by retrocryptid on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:06PM (#36961915)
Maybe (bloomberg should) ask rate payers their opinion of footing the bill for $20B in petroleum subsidiaries before complaining about office space.
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by cyanydeez on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:00PM (#36961825)
What a bizzare opening. Offices aren't a endangered environment needing to be saved.
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by retrocryptid on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:01PM (#36961834)
I guess Michael Bloomberg has a lot of money invested in DC area commercial real estate.
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by Ancalagon on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:03PM (#36961882)
Oh man, an opinion piece by a billionaire posted to HN via a billionaire-owned newspaper on why employees should return to office? That's like the definition of poking the hornet's nest.
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:22PM (#36962184)
Sam Zell said something similar, but then quickly moved on a month later. Is ignoring these folks until they leave an option (with all due respect of course)? Bloomberg is 81, and I'm unsure if his opinion is relevant. I want to be super polite but these folks won't change their mind while leveraging their wealth and power against people without based on their belief systems.

"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." - Max Planck

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/remote-bullshit-office-situat... ("Remote work is ‘bull**t’ and the ‘office situation will change,’ says real estate billionaire Sam Zell: ‘People need to be together’")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Zell

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by nameless912 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:13PM (#36962035)
lmao no they fucking don't.

I am in the enviable position of being able to afford to take a huge pay cut and go work for the US Digital Service. I would actually love to-I think good government needs good tech, and I believe in the ability of USDS to make (however small) an impact on peoples' lives and interactions with the federal government. However, I am _not_ going to move to DC to do so.

It seems like USDS would be an ideal candidate to allow a bunch of remote employees, and yet they don't, because...reasons.

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:41PM (#36962505)
USDS hires remote.

https://www.usds.gov/apply

> We’re currently hiring both remote employees and people who are local to Washington, DC. If you have additional questions about remote or in-person work, please reach out to the USDS Talent Team at [email protected].

(although not recently, have gone through an interview cycle with them when remote was not an option)

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by toomuchtodo on Friday August 04, 2023 @11:18PM (#37008653)
> I would encourage you to apply.

I rescind this comment based on the latest actions (and emails) of White House Chief of Staff Jeff Zients.

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/04/biden-end-remote-work-feder...

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by biesnecker on Monday August 07, 2023 @04:38PM (#37040631)
I interviewed with them in 2022 and was offered a position, but decided not to take it and pursue another opportunity elsewhere. At the time it was remote and I was told that "technically you could be asked to RTO at some point, but we don't expect we ever will be."

Honestly I love DC but would be pretty pissed right now if I'd taken that position expecting to work remotely.

Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by avmich on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:20PM (#36963147)
The important words in the title are "like all workers". All workers don't need to. Same for federal employees.
Re:Like all workers, federal employees need to get back to t... by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @07:02PM (#36964470)
I don't often write shit like that, but I am tired of this push.

Maybe we need an actual WFH union, whose purpose will encompass everyone who wants to join and will push for an employee choice on whether they want to be remote.

I am extra pissy today about it, because our manager has suddenly also 'decided' its time to crack the whip.