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Re:Defining Property by mendocino on Monday March 12, 2012 @06:20PM (#3695951)
So it is OK for your employees (that you share your code and data with) to distribute it among third parties as they please?
Re:Defining Property by icebraining on Monday March 12, 2012 @06:27PM (#3695981)
Employees are bound by contract. You don't need IP laws to prohibit them from sharing the code.
Re:Defining Property by davidw on Monday March 12, 2012 @06:40PM (#3696038)
What if your code gets "snuck out", and you don't know who did it. Should it still be free to copy and distribute at that point?
Re:Defining Property by icebraining on Monday March 12, 2012 @06:59PM (#3696118)
Yes. The question is: if the code gets snuck out, do you really think IP laws will actually prevent people from distributing it?

Yeah, it's certainly working fine:

https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7087027/Symantec_Norton_Anti...

https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/4149808/Windows_NT4_source_c...

https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/3497574/Windows_2000_source_...

Re:Defining Property by davidw on Monday March 12, 2012 @07:07PM (#3696145)
"That which is not seen" is a great deal of other software that otherwise might be out there were there not laws against that sort of thing.
Re:Defining Property by icebraining on Monday March 12, 2012 @07:33PM (#3696218)
I'd like to see some evidence of that, please.
Re:Defining Property by davidw on Tuesday March 13, 2012 @04:54AM (#3697563)
Well, the links you pointed to are for fairly old versions of Windows, and they are on a pirate site, rather than any old site that chooses to host them in the US. Is Mac OS there in its entirety? How about Oracle? DB2 from IBM?
Re:Defining Property by icebraining on Tuesday March 13, 2012 @07:22AM (#3697901)
So the fact that the source isn't there is proof that copyright prevented it? I may have a tiger repellent rock to sell you.

You need to provide evidence that the source of the Mac OS, Oracle or DB2 would be there if copyright didn't exist.

Re:Defining Property by davidw on Tuesday March 13, 2012 @07:29AM (#3697916)
Look at the availability of Linux source code compared to Mac OS X. It's everywhere.

In terms of proof and evidence, no one can really "prove" anything without actually experiencing the counterfactual world. You can't prove that MacOS X code would not be everywhere, for instance, just as I can't prove that it would be.

The best we can do is look for evidence that suggests how things might go.