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Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by bobfunk on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:58PM (#36947951)
Objectively speaking our free tier today have far more features, higher limits and more capabilities than it's ever had before.

We are also building a real, longterm sustainable enterprise business. We're not a non-profit and we're here to create a big lasting company that can keep investing into the future of the web.

Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by shiftpgdn on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:10PM (#36948088)
https://www.netlify.com/pricing/#pricing-table-full-feature-...

Almost every feature you charge for is something you can achieve for free inside of a basic VPS. I understand you have the classic SV "Hotel California" model where you can check in but you can never leave. But frankly this makes the internet worse in every way possible and part of the point of the original article.

Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by cpursley on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:25PM (#36948270)
Setting up a VPS - yeah, sooooo easy.

I struggle with even Digital Ocean and just want my site to freaking run.

Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by ovao on Monday July 31, 2023 @07:36PM (#36950373)
Setting up a VPS is pretty easy. Ensuring your VPS is configured to restart your app when the server restarts, maintaining OS and library updates, maintaining security, updating the app itself with simple-enough conventions, and configuring monitoring is not so necessarily easy. That’s not including documenting (even if only for your own future reference) how things are configured.

Digital Ocean in particular has great guides to get you from the starting line to something that in most cases will work okay, but as a long-term solution to “I have an app I want to run on some infrastructure”, I agree that there’s a non-zero cost to managing a server that, like you, I’d much rather not deal with.

Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by klysm on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:15PM (#36948145)
Then go ahead and use a VPS…
Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by shiftpgdn on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:24PM (#36948268)
The difference is I'm not out touting using a VPS as "The next generation of web development" and having payola articles written that if you don't use a VPS then your career is going to get left behind.
Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by doctor_eval on Monday July 31, 2023 @07:38PM (#36950390)
I gotta say, this comment really comes across as being written by someone who has quite literally never tried Netlify, or doesn’t understand the value prop at all.

Seriously, it is orders of magnitude faster to deploy a static website on Netlify (drag and drop a folder from desktop) than it is to spin up just a single VPS on Vultr… by the time you’ve configured that VPS I could have done a dozen revisions to the website.

Do I wish all of Netlify was free? Sure, yes I do. Does this mean it’s not valuable? Of course not.

The irony of this is that you seem to be saying that (a) Netlify locks the customer in and (b) it can be trivially reimplemented in an entirely customised VPS which will also cost money.

Which is it?

Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by shiftpgdn on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @11:34AM (#36957381)
Oracle's free ARM VM offering can easily serve the same degree (actually significantly more) than a Netlify deployment.
Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by doctor_eval on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @07:34PM (#36964783)
You’re really going to have to provide some figures to substantiate this. Bandwidth, volume and global TTFB would be a good start.

Also, by your own standards this is a comparison between a paid Netlify account and a free VM. Right?

Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by shiftpgdn on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @11:40AM (#36972401)
No, you asked for a free comparison. If you want to go to paid features netlify loses by a mile. You can search all of this yourself with all of one google query.
Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by doctor_eval on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:45PM (#36979898)
I didn't ask for anything. I am just responding to your comment. You said:

> Almost every feature you charge for is something you can achieve for free inside of a basic VPS

I have plenty of experience with both Netlify and VMs, and I don't think they are even remotely comparable.

> You can search all of this yourself with all of one google query.

You're the one making the claims - I'm not even sure what I would be searching for since the parameters of a VM are vastly different to those for Netlify. How could I even find TTFB for a free Oracle VM? In fact, my personal experience with Oracle VMs (granted it's from before 2018) is that the jitter would be very high, such that any TTFB would probably be meaningless. And it would depend on the deployment region, too. Not to mention the HTTP server being used.

Words are cheap. Unless you're willing to substantiate your claims with some actual facts, nobody learns anything.

Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by Takennickname on Thursday August 03, 2023 @06:15AM (#36983767)
You are definitely getting much much more with a free VPS than with netlify. Netlify's value is in being easy, not cheap. If your argument is for being cheap then you will lose that argument all day, every day.
Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by doctor_eval on Thursday August 03, 2023 @07:03PM (#36993286)
You really need to explain this. Honestly. Actual numbers.

Netlify’s free plan is awesome. You might get more bandwidth with a VPS. But you won’t get a CDN and you won’t get atomic deployments without a bunch of work. You’ll use half your VPS storage on the operating system. You’ll need to keep updating your software and maintaining backups. You’ll spend hours or weeks a year maintaining this thing, versus zero for Netlify.

It’s not just about the cost of bandwidth or storage. You gotta compare like with like.

Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by Takennickname on Friday August 04, 2023 @04:29AM (#36997110)
You can't compare like with like. How will netlify compare with the below?

1. Full server control (install any package) 2. Host any kind of server - Django, Rails, etc. etc. 3. Run database servers: MySQL, PostgreSQL, MongoDB, etc. 4. Background processes (cron or systemd) 5. Run VPNs and proxy servers for personal use at the same time. 6. Host email servers 7. Multi-purpose usage (Use for remote dev environments, cloud storage, AI/ML platforms, etc.)

All. For. *Free*.

Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by bdcravens on Monday July 31, 2023 @09:31PM (#36951225)
And Dropbox is little more than rsync, but that doesn't mean that it's not valuable for someone, even if it's not you.
Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by prng2021 on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:14PM (#36951533)
You know you have to secure, patch, and monitor a VPS right? Why pay for a VPS at all? You can get more compute, memory, and storage with a dedicated server for the same price and even setup multiple VMs on that server, each with all the features of a VPS “for free”.
Re:My Journey Away from the JAMstack by shiftpgdn on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @11:32AM (#36957339)
I un-ironically agree.