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Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by lokar on Sunday July 30, 2023 @11:23AM (#36932128)
I think piketty would disagree. Productivity per worker has gone up but the share of profits going to workers has gone down. This is not some kind of inflation driven by scarcity.
Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by mensetmanusman on Sunday July 30, 2023 @11:40AM (#36932369)
The ultra wealthy hired the best to win a game of financial manipulation that the rest of us didn’t even know was being played.

The median salary would be six figure if the share of productivity gains was distributed like it was in 1970.

Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by adrianN on Sunday July 30, 2023 @11:50AM (#36932479)
Is the average salary six figures?
Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by idiotsecant on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:22PM (#36932843)
That's sort of a tricky question since most of the income and wealth of the upper crust of modern society is not expressed as a salary. The simple answer is no, but the fact that it's such a complex answer is itself indicative of a systemic problem.
Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by 93po on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:09PM (#36932696)
No
Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by eek2121 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:01PM (#36934073)
Salary != Wealth.

There are billionaires that don’t make a single penny a year, and broke folks pulling in 6-7 figures.

Looking at some type of combination of income + net worth is probably better in most cases.

That being said, most folks in the US make less than $100,000/year and have less than a $100,000 net worth.

Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by andruby on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:27PM (#36934381)
GDP per capita in the US is $80K [wikipedia]

I assume it includes everyone regardless of age, so the average salary when only considering people working if probably $100K or above

Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by stevezsa8 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:41PM (#36933051)
I think focussing on salary alone isn't a great strategy.

If you doubled everyone's salary, the gain would almost certainly be absorbed by real estate or some other necessity.

Regulations on maximum working hours, access to fair housing, education, healthcare etc might work better.

Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by swagasaurus-rex on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:42PM (#36933836)
I agree with you that gains in income will be absorbed.

Providers of necessities can demand large portions of people’s income due to lack of supply. It’s a basic monopoly. We see that in real estate, health care, education, elderly and child care.

They can’t charge endlessly because at some point people are priced out. Homelessness, lack of education, delaying medical care until an emergency and relying on laws that non-payers cannot be denied treatment.

But they can travel up the supply demand curve and take from everybody that can still afford it, because the supply is constrained. TVs are cheap, because of competition from overseas. Land or health care prices are not.

Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by jeffreyq on Monday July 31, 2023 @01:29AM (#36939110)
Can you further elaborate on why more government intervention would work better?
Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by stevezsa8 on Monday July 31, 2023 @05:12AM (#36940261)
There are valid arguments on both sides of the issue.

What do you think would be the best way to help ensure everyone gets a fair share?

Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by andruby on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:25PM (#36934363)
GDP per capita is $80K in the US.

I suspect this includes people of all ages, so if we distribute this only to working age, that’s probably close to $100K (six figures)

Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by jiveturkey on Sunday July 30, 2023 @05:31PM (#36936203)
GDP != salary.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/average-salary-by-ag...

median wage at 45yo (the peak) is $64k.

Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by andruby on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:11AM (#36939330)
I know. I’m an economist. The post was talking hypothetical if the gains were better distributed.

GDP/capita is that maximum hypothetical number where the full gross domestic production is evenly distributed to all people.

Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by jiveturkey on Friday August 04, 2023 @04:18AM (#36997004)
gotcha. that makes sense
Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by CuriouslyC on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:26PM (#36934370)
Except that with machines doing more of the on the job labor at the same time that women are entering the work force en-mass, there was more competition for fewer jobs which depressed wages.
Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by carlosjobim on Sunday July 30, 2023 @03:49PM (#36935206)
There is always an infinite amount of jobs. Whenever too few people hoard too much wealth is when economic activity slows down and some jobs are no longer worth doing.
Re:The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore by polynomial on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:42PM (#36935734)
Of course not, it's driven by ability to pay.

And while I'm not a professional economist it does seem that you are correct in that demand-pull based inflation (cost of goods) tends to only happen in periods of economic expansion, while cost-push inflation (size of money supply) tends to be the driver in slower times.