GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by evasb on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:38PM (#36927265)

They didn't try to take over the Libreboot. They were maintaining until Leah took over in a very unethical way.

You can see that they abandoned the Libreboot name and founded GNU Boot, that Leah is now trying to take over (the name) too.

Anyway, this drama is highly personal and Leah is not a trustworthy person.

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Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by whstl on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:54PM (#36927361)

I have no idea who those people are and their pasts, and have no horse in this race, but according to the https://libreboot.at website by Adrien Bourmault, Leah was the founder of the project.

According to this [1], the alleged takeover you mention not only didn't involve Adrien or Denis Carikli, it also happened two years before the creation of https://libreboot.at, which seems to be from 2023 [2]

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210331005023/https://libreboot... or https://www.andrewrobbins.info/libreboot.html if you want a third-party

[2] https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/libreboot-devel/2023-0...

Either way, it seems that if there was any problem around the usage of the GNU Boot name, it was solved by adding disclaimers galore: http://notgnuboot.vimuser.org/

To me the disclaimers above show enough good faith. Meanwhile https://libreboot.at continues up. I don't think we should be that harsh and accusatory to someone after they actually comply with the request of changing a page name and adding disclaimers.

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Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by Propelloni on Sunday July 30, 2023 @05:23AM (#36929384)

It appears to be a bonfire of vanities on all sides. One side goes "I use the trust you invested in me to block you from project resources, because my other project is soo much better but has less name-recognition." The other side goes "We are more pure, more righteous, and more petty at the same time! Let's show the other side by registering a confusing domain name and release a similiar but still different software with a long blurb why the other side is bad and must be destroyed! Oh yeah, and let's write scathing e-mails so nobody misses that we are petty."

This seems so weird to me. Why invest the energy? In the olden days we'd just fork and get to work.

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Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by whstl on Sunday July 30, 2023 @05:37AM (#36929464)

'One side goes"I use the trust you invested in me to block you from project resources, because my other project is soo much better but has less name-recognition"'

As some of us already said multiple times, this is a completely different story and unrelated to this. Let's maybe lets this misunderstanding die?

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Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by pravus on Sunday July 30, 2023 @06:24AM (#36929719)

Welcome to the GNU universe. This kind of thing was more prominent in the 00's and I've basically sworn off ever contributing to any GPL projects or using GPL licenses because of how GNU has acted over time. At odd times they get extremely vocal over issues and the responses are typically of the "you are wrong" kind.

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Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by amatecha on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:13AM (#36928037)

Rather than append an edit at the end, just delete your post if it was completely debunked, otherwise people, like myself, read a paragraph of text only to learn it's all apparently "debunked".

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Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by Incipient on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:36AM (#36928178)

It's an interesting point. I think it's educational to have people obviously adjusting their position when corrected. It's almost a rarity these days, and I think someone accepting they were wrong is refreshing!

Granted, the TLDR at the top would have helped haha, especially if it was a long post.

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Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by arcanemachiner on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:21AM (#36928088)

Maybe a TLDR at the top would be better. There's often some pretty crucial context that gets nuked when the entire post gets deleted.

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Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by amatecha on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:30AM (#36928135)

Yeah I guess that could be better. I literally just read every comment by that user (not realizing it was the same person), thinking "oh dang this is rough" and then at the end seeing the "EDIT lol nm" and realizing I just totally got misled, AGAIN. Super uncool. If your text is proven false, I don't want to read it or even glance at it (or even have to scroll past it, or have my network/browser load it, for that matter).

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Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by mst on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:50AM (#36928549)

I agree with putting it at the top, but leaving the mistake there but marked as being a mistake is useful in case somebody else accidentally makes the same mistake later.

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Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by dcow on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:56AM (#36928582)

You can only edit for a few hours.

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Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by amatecha on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:16AM (#36929029)

Yeah, guess it was already too late then. :\

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Re:GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot by enneff on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:27AM (#36928118)

You should be more reluctant to label someone as “not trustworthy”!

FWIW today is the first I’ve heard of Leah and I spent some time reading their website (vimuser.org) and they seem to be quite conscientious and thorough in explaining their work and the rationales behind it. This whole thing has kindled some interest in using a free boot loader on my system. Looking forward to trying it out.

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