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Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by kevinventullo on Saturday July 29, 2023 @02:40PM (#36923168)
Going fast when the child wants to go fast and slow when they need to go slow is I think most of what makes one-on-one teaching superior to classroom teaching. But, yeah, homeschooling can leave a big social gap.
Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by JoshTriplett on Saturday July 29, 2023 @02:48PM (#36923249)
> But, yeah, homeschooling can leave a big social gap.

It doesn't need to. Many areas, particularly those good for homeschooling, have tons of social and extracurricular activities available specifically for homeschoolers (such as by being intentionally scheduled in the middle what would otherwise be school hours).

And, of course, those are just the mass social activities, as opposed to small groups of friends.

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by mock-possum on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:09PM (#36924038)
Public schooling has socializing built in - home schooling has focused 1:1 attention built in. (In their ideal state, respectively.)

Home schooling takes extra work to add socializing, public schooling takes extra work to add one on one instruction. Generally. There are exceptions out there, and there are opportunities to hybridize the practices. But again - that takes work.

Public school also functions as a means to take the work of watching and educating a child during the day off of parents’ plates, so they can remain at least partially employed, or even just have a small slice of their life back.

Homeschooling is a luxury most can’t afford.

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by kashunstva on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:09PM (#36924040)
> Many areas, particularly those good for homeschooling, have tons of social and extracurricular activities available specifically for homeschoolers

During the five years I homeschooled my daughter, I found that this was true but with one enormous caveat. We’re a secular family and homeschooling in many areas of the U.S. means that these groups are often organized around non-secular activities and principles. To each, their own. But I’m not going to sign a “statement of faith” to participate in a homeschool group. As a consequence, it really did feel that we were going it alone. Larger metropolitan areas are probably more inclusive; but otherwise secular homeschoolers have struggles in finding the right fit.

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by JoshTriplett on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:16PM (#36924114)
In our area there were lots of secular activities available, but unfortunately that's not universally true.

Many people select places to live based on school districts; it may make sense to put the same amount of weight on quality of homeschooling options. But even then, that's not going to be universally available in a nearby location.

There are also potentially online groups to connect with others (even more so now than when I was that age), which could help with finding and organizing groups.

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by ryandrake on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:31PM (#36925943)
In a lot of the US, homeschooling is entirely about religious separatism, not better educational outcomes. My wife’s old moms group would keep trying to sell us on homeschooling and the sales pitch was always about legally avoiding certain topics that public school covers. It’s never: “homeschooling lets your kid zoom past the shitty public school system”. It’s always “homeschooling let’s you teach from the Bible and protects your kids from evolution and sex ed (and nowadays: protects your kids from “woke”, whatever that is)”.
Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by LanceH on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:12PM (#36923461)
> homeschooling can leave a big social gap.

I've been around and tutored way too many homeschoolers to give this a pass. If by "gap" you mean they behave in a more adult fashion, sure. There is a gap between the independence and social progression of homeschoolers and the nature of your average trend following high schooler.

Saying that homeschooling creates backwards kids is just a form of continued bullying.

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by klyrs on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:35PM (#36923715)
You didn't tutor my cousins' kids. Fresh out of high school, they can barely read and write and they get anxious if they're more than 10 feet from mom. I would never imply that homeschooling is uniform, but it definitely has risks of very bad outcomes both socially and academically.
Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by troupe on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:05PM (#36924002)
Your argument would be valid if there is no risk of very bad social or academic outcomes at a private or public school. But there are kids in the public school system who graduate without being able to read and write and it doesn't take much to find students with extreme social issues.

Perhaps the risks are just inherent in growing up?

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by firesteelrain on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:29PM (#36923654)
It’s not bullying. Give me a break. It’s a valid concern. No one is picking on people for being homeschooled.
Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by troupe on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:28PM (#36924216)
There are plenty of kids in public schools with and creating social problems. There are plenty of kids who "graduate" while being functionally illiterate.

So yes it is a concern, but it is a concern for kids in general and acting like it is a problem for homeschoolers would be like telling kids that "growing up to be stupid is a risk for red head children." It is either being done with intent to bully red heads or just based on ignorance..

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by firesteelrain on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:08AM (#36928980)
These are not valid comparisons. The concern is lack of socialization not behavior of some selectively chosen public school kids.

With your selection, it is inherently showing a disgusting bias.

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by troupe on Monday July 31, 2023 @12:48PM (#36945366)
Disgusting bias? I'm just saying that most of the concerns people unfamiliar with homeschooling usually raise are risks inherent in childhood in general.
Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by ckz on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:25PM (#36923605)
The social gap question has been pretty hotly debated for decades (whether it exists and/or is even a concern). For the curious, here are a couple of relevant threads:

5 Days Ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36842564

10 Months Ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32746181

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by xcskier56 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:11PM (#36924062)
I home schooled for 2 years in middle school I wasn’t a social butterfly (and still am not). We were part of a home school co-op where we went once or twice per week and the parents taught various classes.

The kids there were wildly brilliant… 6th grader getting a perfect SAT and ACT score, and almost all were very socially awkward. But I really doubt that regular school would have changed anything and may have made things worse.

The social issue is a chicken vs egg problem. Are the kids socially awkward bc they’re homeschooled, or are they homeschooled bc they’re brilliant and very awkward?

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by whimsicalism on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:43PM (#36924981)
> 6th grader getting a perfect SAT and ACT score

Almost certainly an exaggeration :)

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by xboxnolifes on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:50PM (#36925622)
> The social issue is a chicken vs egg problem. Are the kids socially awkward bc they’re homeschooled, or are they homeschooled bc they’re brilliant and very awkward?

This is a big annoyance for me in the homeschooling conversation. If someone is homeschooled and is socially awkward, it's the homeschooling's fault. If someone went to public school and is socially awkward, it's their fault / they're an outlier.

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by dbjacobs on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:47PM (#36924398)
Like everything else in schooling, the social gap is highly child dependent. Our kids were a mix of home-school and private schools and the kid who did the most homeschooling was the most socially adept.
Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by sanderjd on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:48PM (#36925034)
Are there programs where kids mostly play with other kids and then do the education side a couple hours a day of homeschooling individually or in small groups? I feel like that would be a nice structure through like middle school.

We have one starting kindergarten in a few weeks and honestly it seems like too much school time for a five year old to me.

Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by bluepod4 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:34PM (#36926809)
Seems like you’re thinking of Montessori-style schools (except for the homeschooling part)
Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by helpfulclippy on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:20PM (#36926709)
On the other hand, public schooling can cause lifelong psychological or physical trauma due to bullying, abuse or neglect by other students or school staff. In the US, the risk of school shootings is a reasonable concern as well.
Re:How fast should you accelerate your kid in math? by heisenbit on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:55AM (#36929259)
As if the social dynamic in private schools is so much healthier.