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Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by TulliusCicero on Saturday July 29, 2023 @01:56PM (#36922767)
> We like the idea of walking more but won’t actually do it.

Wrong.

The reason people don't walk is simply because walking mostly really sucks in like 95% of urban or suburban contexts in the states. Even crossing the street once can be a huge pain in the ass sometimes (e.g. strip mall to strip mall across two giant parking lots and an enormous stroad).

It is astoundingly rare to find an actual nice, not-tiny area to walk in, in terms of urban design and points of interest. To a lot of Americans, "has sidewalks" means an area is walkable, which is just...so, so very wrong.

I lived in Germany for five years, and during our annual summer trip back to the states, it was always so sad to see the pathetic state of walking and biking infrastructure everywhere we went. It's like we're not even trying...because, well, we're not. Walking here sucks because we choose to make it suck.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by paulcole on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:11PM (#36923453)
People can still do things that suck if they want to do those things enough.

If you want to walk and have two legs that work, don’t whine about wishing walking didn’t suck. Get out and walk.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by TulliusCicero on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:19PM (#36923537)
> People can still do things that suck if they want to do those things enough.

Yes, but why would they when a thing is painful and unpleasant? There's other ways to get around or get exercise, people will default to things that are nice and convenient.

> If you want to walk and have two legs that work, don’t whine about wishing walking didn’t suck. Get out and walk.

Incredibly nonsensical dismissal. Let's see how silly your reasoning is:

"Americans just don't wanna walk, no matter what."

"People don't do X because it sucks, if it didn't suck more people would do it."

"Doesn't matter, suck it up and do it anyway loser"

Wow, we sure learned a lot there. Do you teach gym class maybe?

We're talking about a systemic problem. Insulting people isn't gonna get the population to walk more, shockingly enough.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by paulcole on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:16PM (#36924110)
I don’t think I called anyone a loser.

It’s fine for people to say they want to do something and then not do it.

I’m just saying that it can be done. Either do it or don’t.

> Yes, but why would they when a thing is painful and unpleasant?

Because sometimes things that are painful and unpleasant have benefits that outweigh the pain and unpleasantness?

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by fnimick on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:41PM (#36924331)
Perhaps when those things have a benefit to society, we should invest in infrastructure to make them more pleasant, rather than browbeating people as lazy if they don't brave urban arterial roads to walk to a grocery store?
Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by paulcole on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:19PM (#36924743)
I’m not saying they’re lazy or browbeating anyone.

I’m saying they’re lying to themselves. Nothing wrong with that. Whatever it takes to get through life. I lie to myself about a lot of things to make the days go by easier.

But yeah, wait for those infrastructure investments to come and tell yourself that once they’re here you’ll walk more. Or go out and walk today. Or don’t. Doesn’t really matter at all.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by lotsoweiners on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:57PM (#36925110)
I like walking and walk almost everyday (not right now since it’s summer). Why would I want to walk 15-20 minutes each way though to go pick something up when a 2 minute car ride would get me there. Sure sometimes I’ll take a leisurely walk to the store on a Saturday afternoon but usually I just need something quickly.