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Re:Fabricated data in research about honesty by jvanderbot on Friday July 28, 2023 @11:43AM (#36908570)
This is the latest in my most frequently learned lesson:

Nobody thinks they are doing anything wrong. They think they are shoring up a weakness in a fundamentally good argument or cause.

Re:Fabricated data in research about honesty by munchler on Friday July 28, 2023 @12:34PM (#36909432)
Yep. There are very few true villains in reality. Just a lot of people with different values and priorities. Even Vlad Putin probably thinks he’s on the side of the angels.
Re:Fabricated data in research about honesty by functoid on Friday July 28, 2023 @12:44PM (#36909595)
Probably helps that he’s got the regional Orthodox Church in his pocket to reassure him.
Re:Fabricated data in research about honesty by xdennis on Friday July 28, 2023 @01:35PM (#36910342)
Please don't call that guy Vlad. Vlad is short for Vladislav. You're looking vor Vova.

It's like saying Ben is short for Bennett.

Re:Fabricated data in research about honesty by tomrod on Friday July 28, 2023 @01:58PM (#36910677)
Ben can be short for Bennett?
Re:Fabricated data in research about honesty by AnimalMuppet on Friday July 28, 2023 @12:03PM (#36908896)
Ouch. That's not just scientific dishonesty. It's also politics, and the legal system, and advertising, and internet conversations, and...
Re:Fabricated data in research about honesty by godelski on Friday July 28, 2023 @12:44PM (#36909585)
While I generally go with this, it definitely isn't an absolutely true statement and we should even modify it. People know they are doing wrong, they just justify it with reasons why it is okay to do the wrong thing. I'm pretty sure that these people knew they were doing a big wrong, but I'm sure they justified it with "well everyone fudges the data a little." (this wasn't little)
Re:Fabricated data in research about honesty by bena on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:00PM (#36911569)
I'm going to go with both of you.

They know what they're doing is wrong. But I don't think they did it because "everyone does it", they did it because they think they're ultimately right.

They believe in their results, they know in their heart of hearts that their conclusions are true. It's just that not all of the data lines up. It's incomplete, inconclusive, etc. Yes, it is wrong to fabricate data, however, over time, results will bear out the truth of their statements and it won't matter.

They are of the camp that process doesn't matter as long as you reach the right conclusion. Which is wrong. Process is kind of the only thing that matters.

Re:Fabricated data in research about honesty by verisimi on Friday July 28, 2023 @02:15PM (#36910945)
"the greater good"

"THE GREATER GOOD"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u8vd_YNbTw