Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source

Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by threeseed on Thursday July 27, 2023 @08:28PM (#36901876)

Authors, artists, actors etc whose work have been ripped off by mega corporations like Meta, OpenAI, Google etc would disagree.

Copyright may need to be updated to cater for the new world of AI but that doesn't mean as a concept it is evil.

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by murki on Thursday July 27, 2023 @08:39PM (#36901951)

How are Modern Copyright laws helping authors, artists, and actors in those cases?

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by threeseed on Thursday July 27, 2023 @09:11PM (#36902085)

It's allowing them to sue OpenAI for copyright infringement:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jul/05/authors-file-a...

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by ronsor on Thursday July 27, 2023 @09:41PM (#36902253)

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by CamperBob2 on Thursday July 27, 2023 @09:54PM (#36902332)

Allowing them to block human intellectual progress may not be the long-term win you assume it is.

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by threeseed on Thursday July 27, 2023 @11:49PM (#36902955)

And some would argue that billion dollar companies like OpenAI, Meta etc should figure out a way to compensate the people who created the content they depend on.

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by CamperBob2 on Friday July 28, 2023 @12:09PM (#36909005)

Making the uncensored, unbiased, un-"aligned" results available to all for a fair price is compensation enough, I think. That's what we should be pushing for.

Whether demon or genie, any notion of putting this tech back in the bottle is a non-starter. As is turning it into a giant money grab for the copyright industry.

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by smoldesu on Thursday July 27, 2023 @11:58PM (#36902993)

That hasn't protected copywritten works in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,....

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by Andrex on Thursday July 27, 2023 @08:23PM (#36901834)

That depends on the jurisdiction, but in my view I err on the side of "but it's necessary."

A society without copyright would be a much poorer one, and humans figured that out a long time ago.

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by nightski on Thursday July 27, 2023 @08:25PM (#36901850)

I don't think you can look to the past to picture a future with AI.

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by CamperBob2 on Thursday July 27, 2023 @09:54PM (#36902339)

A society without copyright would be a much poorer one

That was before "Attention Is All You Need" and the subsequent work on LLMs that grew out of it. Things are different now.

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by __loam on Thursday July 27, 2023 @08:32PM (#36901908)

People should be paid for their labor.

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by smoldesu on Thursday July 27, 2023 @10:11PM (#36902450)

Then they shouldn't give away their work for free.

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by __loam on Friday July 28, 2023 @12:30AM (#36903123)

They're not. They have a copyright. Practicing artists usually benefit professionally from maintaining a public portfolio. Data being public is also notably not a license to use it for whatever purpose you want. Have some respect.

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by smoldesu on Friday July 28, 2023 @12:59AM (#36903239)

I have a copyleft, for all the good it does my work. Copyright protects artists from nothing, and leaving it uncontested harms the consumer more than the artists.

> Data being public is also notably not a license to use it for whatever purpose you want.

Under the Fair Use doctrine, it very well could be. It was when Google indexed every book they could buy, to the disdain of the Author's Guild and the titleholders they represented.

> Have some respect.

I will not respect an authority that forces me to rent digital content.

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Re:Llama and ChatGPT Are Not Open-Source by hmcq6 on Friday July 28, 2023 @01:28AM (#36903367)

> I will not respect an authority that forces me to rent digital content.

They are very obviously asking you to respect the individual artists.

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