Re:Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of drivin...
by x86x87 on Thursday July 27, 2023 @11:28AM
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No. Sorry. Making the claim that most tesla owners do X is in my opinion horseshit. Tesla should be ashamed of themselves and should be sued into oblivion for false advertising. This is not a +/- 5%. This is a massive lie and a coverup.
Re:Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of drivin...
by panick21_ on Thursday July 27, 2023 @12:08PM
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They use the official process. Sue the EPA.
Re:Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of drivin...
by rootusrootus on Thursday July 27, 2023 @06:05PM
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Sort of. The official process comes in a couple different flavors, and there are absolutely ways to game it. It's not like EPA is running the tests themselves, they just write the rules. Also, AFAICT there is no penalty for sandbagging (see also Porsche). Tesla could give realistic numbers but instead ran the tests in the most optimistic way possible and chose the best numbers they could plausibly claim to be EPA formula.
Re:Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of drivin...
by x86x87 on Friday July 28, 2023 @12:50AM
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The VW method!
Re:Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of drivin...
by concordDance on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:08AM
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Except the tesla numbers are realistic, you can check for yourself: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/browseList.jsp
Re:Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of drivin...
by rootusrootus on Thursday July 27, 2023 @06:03PM
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Those seem orthogonal, and not related. I assert that yes, most Tesla owners just deal with it. But yes, it's unacceptable and Tesla should be held to account for it. Both can be true.
Re:Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of drivin...
by simondotau on Friday July 28, 2023 @09:07AM
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Polestar does the same thing.
Re:Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of drivin...
by HWR_14 on Thursday July 27, 2023 @11:44AM
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The EPA recommended system is pretty accurate and conservative, according to the article. Mercedes is supposed to use it and has more accurate estimates. Tesla is still using their own math from before the EPA had a plan.
Meanwhile, what difference does it make if most Tesla customers do X? Tesla now has enough customers that hurting 10% of them is a major impact.
Re:Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of drivin...
by panick21_ on Thursday July 27, 2023 @12:07PM
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No. EPA has 2 different processes and the car maker can choice what they want to use.
Re:Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of drivin...
by HWR_14 on Thursday July 27, 2023 @12:30PM
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EPA process 1: use standard formulas. This is what Mercedes does and is more conservative and seems more accurate.
EPA process 2: Run tests and justify your numbers, essentially there to grandfather in range estimates from pre-2020
Re:Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of drivin...
by anurag6892 on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:47PM
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EPA should also add multiple range estimates say at 70mph, 80mph. Lots of people drive 80mph+ on the highway.
And buyers should be made aware they will be using only 70% (10 to 80) of the battery between highway charger stops. Charging gets really slow after 80%.
Re:Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of drivin...
by rootusrootus on Thursday July 27, 2023 @06:07PM
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I agree on both counts. More data would be better. And for fun they could just mandate it across-the-board. It would be halfway interesting to see the impact of heating/cooling and speed on ICE vehicles too.
Personally I think the EPA should revamp the rating system. I want to see every manufacturer forced to admit what range to expect if we use 90% of the battery capacity, at 70 mph, in 32F ambient temperature with climate control set to 68F. The only time people really care deeply about range is on the interstate, so the range numbers really ought to reflect that.