If you can cite a collective farm system that didn't result in famine, feel free.
All? Nope. Only the ones that were more free market, and the more free market the more things "shot up".
Evidence? The millions of poor leaving everything behind and coming from Europe to the US.
I'm genuinely puzzled why so many people believe in collectivism, despite no historical evidence of its success anywhere. And, on the flip side, the consistent success of free markets.
My favorite excuse for the prosperity of the US free market was the fact(!) that the millions of Europeans who migrated here were the wealthy(!) of Europe.
The topic wasn't collectivism. You keep trying to make it about that, I suppose because that's what you wanted to argue about.
Indoctrination.
> My favorite excuse for the prosperity of the US free market was the fact(!) that the millions of Europeans who migrated here were the wealthy(!) of Europe.
I hadn't heard that one.
It's had the same outcome every time. Take a look at Lenin's collectivization of agriculture. Production collapsed, and famine resulted. He then instituted the New Economic Program, and production was restored. Collectivization was applied again, and it collapsed again. Finally, the Soviet Union allowed farmers to farm certain parcels and keep the profits, which staved off famine, supplemented with wheat shipped from Kansas (known as "the Breadbasket of the Soviet Union").
Pretty sad, as before 1917 Ukraine was known as the Breadbasket of Europe.
Did you know that the Pilgrims tried communism for their first year? They starved. Then they switched to private ownership, and fed themselves.