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Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by harha on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:30PM (#36868920)
Looks like they weren’t really needed to add to that revenue.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by dabeeeenster on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:36PM (#36869021)
I mean, everyone knows that PPC is 95% of Google's revenue business. They could probably eject 80% of the company and the revenue trajectory would not change.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by minsc_and_boo on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @05:36PM (#36869918)
If Twitter's (or X?) performance is anything to go off of, that's probably not true.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by tarboreus on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @05:43PM (#36869990)
Right. Twitter was such a money spinner before.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by minsc_and_boo on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @05:46PM (#36870031)
Comparatively more than it is now. It's a no-true-scotsman to exclude it.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by ocdtrekkie on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:56PM (#36870877)
All of Twitter's staff were supporting the core product. How many Google employees support no part of the Google Ads stack or a product with Google Ads revenue?
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by Frost1x on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:37PM (#36869057)
Employee count actually increased accounting for layoffs, so that's not it for sure. Looks like they did need or at least thought they needed that many.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by itsthecourier on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:33PM (#36868983)
Touché.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by tonmoy on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:32PM (#36868970)
If that is true then it means they hired more people than they needed and then instead of admitting it they gave some nonsense about macro economics
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by YetAnotherNick on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:39PM (#36869076)
They always hired more than needed, even now. I think it's a common knowledge. Most of the time it worked out because google's stock always grew, but yeah if conditions become bad they wouldn't need to think a lot before laying of 20-30% of the workforce.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by HDThoreaun on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:38PM (#36869064)
Maybe they hired more than they needed because of the shifting macro environment? The number of employees you need depends on what you want to accomplish which depends on interest rates, consumer spending, and tons of other macro factors.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by nine_k on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:37PM (#36869045)
They hired more really good people to leave fewer really good candidates to the competition. Maybe it made sense. They could not publicly declare this though.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by silverbax88 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:48PM (#36869242)
I am friends of a long time, Fortune 50 CFO. Well, he was about 16 years ago before one large company went public and he made about $40M in a single day and decided he wanted to do something new (can't blame him).

He told me repeatedly that companies that lay off the moment a bad quarter appears - or if they lay off employees if they even think the market will slow down - are always terribly run companies.

He said it was a clear indicator of poor internal planning and forecasting, that any company who suddenly needed to shed 5,000 or 10,000 employees on one bad quarter was was one to avoid.

Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by wintogreen74 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @05:37PM (#36869930)
A company the size of Alphabet "shedding" 5-10K employees is a notable but still minor adjustment in the grand scheme of things.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by silverbax88 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @05:56PM (#36870142)
No, it isn't. Details matter, and if they hiring even 1% too many people, then what else are they getting wrong by 1%? And how many of those things?

The key is that they wouldn't know either. It could be a slow 'death by a thousand cuts' and they wouldn't even know they were bleeding.

This is why companies, even massive companies, generally die eventually. There are very few that last even 50 years without eventually being acquired or bankrupt. And how does it start? Little mistakes, lack of focus, everywhere.

Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by thunky on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @07:12PM (#36871021)
> then what else are they getting wrong by 1%?

They could get 1000 things wrong by 1% and they're still 1% wrong. You can't really add them up.

Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by edmundsauto on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @05:08PM (#36869584)
This can be true and we can also recognize that the pandemic probably made everyone’s internal forecasts bad. These tech companies have some smart people working there, I would bet their projections are pretty world class.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by silverbax88 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:01PM (#36870226)
I've worked there, it's not any different than the rest of the business world.
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by edmundsauto on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:41PM (#36871686)
How so? The motivation and competency and ownership is the same as at say Comcast?
Re:Alphabet Announces Second Quarter 2023 Results [pdf] by theGnuMe on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @10:38AM (#36878457)
The comcast is bad meme is interesting but what specifics do you have that it is worse at business than Google?

I am no fan of comcast and pay a premium to avoid them since I disagree with bandwidth quotas. But both Google and Comcast have bad customer service and some terrible products yet both have respective and respectable monopolies. YouTube is terrible and amazing at the same time and more teens watch it than cable tv. Yet there is awful content and no good way to screen it from children besides denying access entirely.

Google also arguably missed ChatGPT and TikTok as macro product trends. Previously, Google failed to capitalize on social networking.

I am not sure how you forecast or predict those things in any way that guarantees success. And even when you see the future to pursue and build that core competency. I don't think large companies can move fast enough because by the time you notice the competition they've already established a network effect.

And network effects seem to be the main moat. It remains to be seen if Threads really kills Twitter. It's not even clear that Musk can kill it unintentionally, i.e. the business succeeds despite its management.