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Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by the_af on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:21AM (#36861199)
> So now we have to live with those "forums"

Which forums do you mean? Every community I was part of has moved to facebook groups, Reddit or Discord. PhpBB has gone the way of the dodo (regrettably, since those were the "good old days" for me, since I never used usenet).

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by TacticalCoder on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:33AM (#36861310)
There are many forums for specific communities: specific car brands, sometimes even specific car models, watches, keyboards even (!), etc.

I'm on forums like these and they're doing totally fine. And if anything with the recent Reddit SNAFU the last thing users there want is for some central authority in SV to decide what they're allowed to talk about.

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by the_af on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:51AM (#36861476)
Ah, interesting. To be clear, I also meant for specific communities: like for specific hobbies or tabletop games, or niche interests.

They've all abandoned forums and, regrettably, moved on to Facebook or Discord. I'll never understand why they choose Discord, a closed chat platform, for forum type discussions. At this point I feel like Quixote tilting at the wind mills.

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by Ringz on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:20AM (#36861797)
I don't understand that either. Discord feels like a hamster wheel connected to a turbocharger.
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by readingnews on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @11:19AM (#36863616)
I am not so sure they all went FB/Discord, some I use(d) for example:

https://www.watchuseek.com/

https://www.rolexforums.com/

https://www.audioasylum.com/

https://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/

https://el34world.com/Forum/index.php (A simple machines forum, this guy has been here forever, and he wrote his entire online shop himself)

https://www.civicx.com

There are a LOT of niche forums out there that are not FB/Discord, and keeping track of them is a pain. I do wish newsgroups were still a thing for hobbies.

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by Parker51 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:42PM (#36872141)
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by flyinghamster on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:12AM (#36861700)
The trick is finding these, especially with today's crippled search engines. But indeed, it tends to be subject-specific forums rather than general-interest.
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by Sharlin on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:34AM (#36861313)
And the two big reasons to move to Reddit were (a) single interface and login and (b) threaded conversations. Which is to say, Reddit (well, Slashdot really) reinvented the things that Usenet had had but which had been lost in the migration to traditional web-based forums.
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by the_af on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:04AM (#36861599)
Cool! I didn't know threaded conversations were a concept from usenet.

I do wonder though, why on earth are so many communities moving to facebook and Discord, the two platforms that are decidedly worse than either usenet or phpbb. Some have come to realize facebook was a mistake, but may be committing an even worse one by moving to Discord.

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by flyinghamster on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:16AM (#36861733)
At least there's competition, like Mastodon for the Twitter-like approach and Lemmy or Kbin for something more Reddit-like. I'm thinking these are our best way out if Usenet can't be rebooted.
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by throw0101b on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @10:07AM (#36862453)
> Cool! I didn't know threaded conversations were a concept from usenet.

Usenet and e-mail. Both message formats supported referencing the message being replied to since the early days:

* https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc822#section-4.6

* https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc850#section-2.2.6

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversation_threading

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by the_af on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @10:22AM (#36862673)
I wrote a lengthy reply and then deleted it because I realized that I too used threaded email conversations. I think I forgot about them because Gmail doesn't have them, and it's been ages since I used Eudora or Thunderbird. (Or text-only Pine, but I honestly cannot remember if it showed threads).
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by F-W-M on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @03:56AM (#36874414)
GMail does not support threads?!
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by Technetium on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @01:19PM (#36881291)
It's called "Conversation View" and it DOES exist! It's just disabled by default. You can find it in: Settings -> All Settings -> General.
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by the_af on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:10PM (#36886436)
When they introduced labels they claimed threads were a thing of the past. I didn't even know you could still have them, Google certainly didn't advertise it (since they wanted us to use labels instead).
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by hattmall on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @11:30AM (#36863766)
Both of those formats suck, but people moved there because the reach is strong with mobile access.
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by the_af on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @11:59AM (#36864303)
Yeah, I know what you say is true. But it sucks doubly: you cannot really have long, detailed conversations on Discord mobile like we used to have on web forums. Mobile favors typing short replies, usually memes.
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by Spooky23 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @01:40PM (#36866251)
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Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by gte525u on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @03:06PM (#36867731)
At least my journey was more slashdot => digg => reddit. Reddit seemed to really take off when digg self immolated during their redesign.
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by slowmovintarget on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @03:41PM (#36868213)
Add Compuserve => AOL => Newsgroups to the beginning and same.
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by salad-tycoon on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @09:59PM (#36887920)
Fun. Let me try:

cave paintings => petroglyphs => pictograms => writing => printing => telegraph => telephone => wireless radio => television => compuserve => aol => newsgroups => digg => reddit ===> VR=====> neurolink ==========> “quantum ascension”

How’s this? Amazing how things have changed and how little foresight I have to see what comes next.

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by SirMaster on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:30AM (#36861277)
Well it’s a lot of XenForo now. But I go on AVSForums a lot and Linus tech tips forum and [H]ardforum, etc.
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by bluGill on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:12AM (#36861688)
Facebook, reddit, discord. It doesn't matter, all of them are inferior to usenet in usability. Usenet fails in the easy to get started with, but once you figure out how to get on usenet (which I no longer know how to do!) it is a much better experience. Usenet has the concept of "I already read this", so you can have long discussions. All other forums when you get more than a few dozen posts it is hard to track what you have seen and so you don't go back to look for more discussion even if it would be insightful.

Facebook often doesn't even show you interesting discussions if the discussion is interesting to you but not for the average person.

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by the_af on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:21AM (#36861816)
Facebook is the worst of the lot. The UX of groups for niche interests is terrible: hard to find/follow conversations, some messages get randomly hidden or highlighted, you can never go back to where you were in a conversation.

Yet, for some reason, years ago most niche communities I belonged to ditched perfectly serviceable phpbb forums and moved to Facebook. Now there's a second exodus to Discord, as braindead as the one before.

And I truly don't understand Reddit to Discord. It has little or nothing to do with moderation or disagreement with Reddit policies, mind you. At least the ones I've seen, the reason is as vague as "wouldn't it be cool to have a Discord?". Why is never answered clearly.

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by shagie on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:49AM (#36862161)
> but once you figure out how to get on usenet (which I no longer know how to do!) it is a much better experience.

Get a reader and sign up on https://www.eternal-september.org

The days of open servers are gone, but fairly permissive authenticated servers exist.

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by throw0101b on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @10:08AM (#36862475)
For those that do not know the reference:

> Eternal September or the September that never ended[1] is Usenet slang for a period beginning around 1993[2] when Internet service providers[2] began offering Usenet access to many new users. The flood of new users overwhelmed the existing culture for online forums and the ability to enforce existing norms. AOL followed with their Usenet gateway service in March 1994,[3] leading to a constant stream of new users. Hence, from the early Usenet point of view, the influx of new users in September 1993 never ended.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by c22 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:23PM (#36871558)
Your quote buries the lede:

During the 1980s and early 1990s, Usenet and the Internet were generally the domain of dedicated computer professionals and hobbyists; new users joined slowly, in small numbers, and observed and learned the social conventions of online interaction without having much of an impact on the experienced users. The only exception to this was September of every year, when large numbers of first-year college students gained access to the Internet and Usenet through their universities. These large groups of new users who had not yet learned online etiquette created a nuisance for the experienced users, who came to dread September every year.

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by ry4nf on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:24AM (#36861864)
I hated to see that. One of the few forums that's still around from my youth is one of the original MMA forums that was almost like "Facebook for MMA". People like Dana White, Bas Rutten, Joe Rogan, Enson Inoue and many more posted there on a somewhat regular basis until the social media takeover. The forum is still around but barely active.
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by noSyncCloud on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @11:02AM (#36863328)
Talking about Sherdog I presume?
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by ry4nf on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @05:07PM (#36869569)
I thought about Sherdog after I posted but mma.tv/mixedmartialarts.com aka "the underground" was what I was thinking about
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by flyinghamster on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @10:34AM (#36862866)
I wouldn't say phpBB is dead, its latest release is from February of this year. On the other hand, unless you're already a participant on such a forum, you just might have trouble finding it in today's search hellscape.
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by the_af on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @11:30AM (#36863774)
Maybe it's just my experience. Every phpbb community I was part of moved years away to Facebook, Reddit or (now) Discord. Some of the forums linger on, almost completely deserted by their former users :/
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by Johnythree on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @04:47AM (#36874763)
My favorite phpBB forums staggered along for many years but eventually collapsed.

The problem was the original maintainers had long sense expired, and each new phpBB release caused cascading bugs and became unmanageable. That and the increasing cost of running the servers, and the lack of backups and general maintenance.

The loss of these forums was real tragedy. So many thousands of priceless contributions from the original guru's has now been lost forever.

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by xeromal on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @02:21PM (#36866978)
Lots of tuner communities still use them. Here's a few I frequent a lot.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/

https://www.stromtrooper.com/

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/

Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by wizofaus on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @05:00AM (#36874847)
HN doesn't count?
Re:I've skimmed 66520 newsgroups trying to find some life on... by the_af on Friday July 28, 2023 @09:26AM (#36906442)
At least for me, HN is not one of the "old communities" I used to follow; they all predate it.

Also, HN's custom forum software feels significantly different than phpbb and similar forums: no quote blocks, no different fonts and colors, no embedded images, etc.