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Re:Deadly global heatwaves undeniably result of climate cris... by Fricken on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @07:49AM (#36860931)
I've noticed in people a strong bias toward what they're familiar with. How much time have you spent living in a pre industrial society?

There are tribal societies that have been stable for tens of thousands of years. Modernity is an inherently unstable system.

Re:Deadly global heatwaves undeniably result of climate cris... by pif on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:14AM (#36861139)
Stability is not the goal. Comfort is the goal. And pre-industrial societies switched to industrial societies as fast as they could!
Re:Deadly global heatwaves undeniably result of climate cris... by ThalesX on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:26AM (#36861241)
I bet people would love to live a bit without antibiotics and access to modern healthcare. Stability through making 12 children and having 2+ survive.
Re:Deadly global heatwaves undeniably result of climate cris... by Fricken on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:34AM (#36861318)
Ahh, yes. Kids and their chances of survival...
Re:Deadly global heatwaves undeniably result of climate cris... by TacticalCoder on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:19AM (#36861770)
> There are tribal societies that have been stable for tens of thousands of years.

With which average lifespan and enduring what pain? What was the solution for, say, a tooth going south?

Medicine was ugly back then. Between 1% to 1.5% of all the woman giving birth would die while doing so in 1600. Something insane like that. We've literally gone down at least 30x.

Also back then women couldn't really decide whether they'd become pregnant or not.

At 17 years old or so I got a medical emergency: doctor diagnosed an appendicitis that was missed a few days earlier for I was under strong painkillers. When it was diagnosed a few hours later I was undergoing surgery.

In 1600 I could very well have died of peritonitis / infection without the surgery. I see all those years I lived since then as pure win, thanks to modernity.

It comes at a cost but I live better than any king has ever lived (except for those who live/lived in modern times).

Re:Deadly global heatwaves undeniably result of climate cris... by Fricken on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:43AM (#36862089)
Yep, we're still 100% mortal, and it's this big thing that looms over everybody. Nothing has changed in that regard. We die just as much as we ever did.

I had a terrible fever when I was 3, I probably wouldn't have made it if it wasn't for modern health care. Beyond that, though, I've only needed modern healthcare for ailments caused by modernity: Tooth problems from sugar and not chewing enough, and also I was hit by a car.

Talking about cruel healthcare practices, though, can you imagine being on your back with a tube shoved down your throat for weeks while you slowly suffocate to death like some of those peeps in the COVID wards?

3 of my 4 grandparents are dead, and all but one died in slow, drawn out and excruciatingly painful ways.