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Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by throwaway4aday on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:29PM (#36852330)
Serious question, how are names ever supposed to evolve or change if they are limited by the state? Or are there exceptions for "good" newly created names? Having a weird first name isn't even a hindrance given how frequently people go by nicknames or middle names and ironically they often do that to avoid being called by a more traditional name like Hubert or Mirabel. You can also just change your name if you don't like it.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by oneeyedpigeon on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:59PM (#36852768)
Is there any state in the world that doesn't limit names?
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by rat87 on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:37PM (#36853188)
I think most US states only require the name to fit in their database. They may also require Latin based alphabets or be even just English alphabet with no extra marks and may ban some punctuation or numerical characters. But probably no other restrictions
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by morelisp on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:21PM (#36853002)
You probably can't pick obscenity in the US but otherwise anything goes. (Semantically/phonetically at least - orthography is a bit more limited.)

That most European countries have a whitelist of names was one of the more shocking parts of moving here.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by afiori on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @02:56AM (#36873975)
> That most European countries have a whitelist of names was one of the more shocking parts of moving here.

I believe this is very much wrong.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by throwaway4aday on Monday July 24, 2023 @05:28PM (#36854452)
Depends what you mean by limit but I'm choosing to interpret it as "exert undue influence over the choice of the parent". The UK's restrictions on names containing obscenities, numerals, misleading titles, or are impossible to pronounce seems reasonable although you could make arguments against all of those e.g. some words or names in other languages are obscenities in English and vice versa, numerals are traditionally used as a suffix to distinguish generations with the same name so why not be able to be Nathan3421, misleading titles is a bit stuffy and incongruous with existent names like Major, Judge, Prince, etc., impossible to pronounce already describes many names if you are not familiar with the native language. After all of that, I honestly don't think there is a good reason to restrict a name. Maybe the only limit I could think of would be to prove that it is given in good faith and not for some malevolent purpose.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by birksherty on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:53AM (#36862220)
Parents should not have undue influence on other's (the kid) life as they wish by giving a stupid name. Instead parents should change their own name to xxx if they like it so much.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by afiori on Monday July 24, 2023 @04:41PM (#36853903)
Starting from the assumption that some names are bad[0] then it is an act of balancing.

[0] I would claim that calling someone "Mat the fucking dumbshit" or "Poopface" is child abuse

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by ethbr0 on Monday July 24, 2023 @05:16PM (#36854309)
> Well, I grew up quick, and I grew up mean. And my fists got hard, and my wits got keen...

> He stood there looking at me, and I saw him smile, and he said, "Son, this world is rough, and if a man's gonna make it he's gotta be tough, and I know I wouldn't be there to help you along. So I give you that name, and I said goodbye. And I knew you'd have to get tough or die. And it's that name that helped make you strong..."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WOHPuY88Ry4

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by afiori on Monday July 24, 2023 @05:29PM (#36854476)
For everyone that grows stronger and wiser under adversity there is someone tha become weak and broken.

The approach of "you need to be prepared for the cruelty of the world so I will be cruel to you" feels like a parody of proper upbringing.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by ethbr0 on Monday July 24, 2023 @06:36PM (#36855213)
> like a parody of proper upbringing

It was a Johnny Cash song -- he wasn't known for writing ballads of utopian suburbia.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by DropInIn on Monday July 24, 2023 @08:32PM (#36856171)
Point

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Your head

Mr Cash was in no way endorsing the behavior...

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by ethbr0 on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:26PM (#36857498)
I'm guessing you've never listen to the whole song?
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by jtwaleson on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:52AM (#36859696)
“And if I ever have a son, I think I'm gonna name him Bill or George, anything but Sue! I still hate that name!”

So no, not endorsing.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by DropInIn on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @10:17AM (#36862606)
Yes I have, and Read the lyrics.

Have you?

(See other respondent for proof you havent)

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by ethbr0 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @12:07PM (#36864467)
The verse before that?
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by DropInIn on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @01:19PM (#36865829)
I'm not the one who quoted a verse...
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by ethbr0 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:43PM (#36872145)
:) Enjoy your conversation.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by hdjdndhfbrb on Monday July 24, 2023 @06:39PM (#36855241)
Sociopaths going to path
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by FreshStart on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @02:41AM (#36858797)
Also cruelty doesn't translate to fitness anymore. It's just negative emotional investment. But it's signaling "if worst comes to worst my people come first" which is the loudest tribalism signal in a breaking down peace period society reentering the loop.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by hyperdimension on Monday July 24, 2023 @08:57PM (#36856395)
I asked my father

I said, "Father, change my name

The one I'm using now it's covered up

With fear and filth, and cowardice and shame"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FYkJuAb0mMk

;)

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by cmh89 on Monday July 24, 2023 @08:39PM (#36856242)
>You can also just change your name if you don't like it.

After you're 18 and after you've experienced some of the most intense social moments of your life.

It's like literally everything else with kids. Parents have a ton of autonomy but there has to be a line where they aren't allowed to hurt their kid further

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by throwaway4aday on Monday July 24, 2023 @10:52PM (#36857266)
If you've got a list of perfect names that no one will ever be teased about then go ahead and share them.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by benrutter on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:07AM (#36861079)
Probably depends a bit what example you're looking at.

Iceland has a very traditional name system which is enforced. I think the idea is basically that names won't evolve so they can preserve tradition.

Sweden on the other hand has a pretty vague "name can't be likely to cause child psychological harm" law, that doesn't really come into play unless you try to name your child something really outside the mainstream (there was a case a while back where a couple wanted to call their daughter "Metallica". I can't remember how that ended up going).

I don't see how the Swedish-style system would stop names evolving. There are still plenty of trends and new names that come and go just like in the US. I doubt extreme name choices like Elon's "x-ash-12" would inspire a whole bunch of children to be called that.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by birksherty on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:46AM (#36862120)
There is no need for names to evolve.

Based on what you said, let the kid have a proper name and then they themselves can change to weird as they wish later. Stupid parents have no right to give a stupid joke name to others.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by gcr on Friday July 28, 2023 @07:51AM (#36905541)
I propose a compromise:

- Parents may only choose names for their children from a list of the top 1000 or so names in whatever country parents choose

- It is permissible to change your own name to anything you like