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Re:With the 745-Mile Solid-State Battery, Toyota Just Became... by frumper on Monday July 24, 2023 @10:58AM (#36849095)
Saying what a Tesla can't do, or do well, doesn't really respond to the parent. There are people using Tesla to drive on city streets in traffic. It'd be fair to say it doesn't always work, and it isn't reliable, but are there other consumer cars that drive themselves through a town?
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Re:With the 745-Mile Solid-State Battery, Toyota Just Became... by kube-system on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:16PM (#36850345)
There aren't any consumer cars that drive themselves through a town. Tesla has a system that assists a human driver through town. This is an important distinction and hand-waving it away is exactly the dishonest and dangerous business practice I was referring to above. Industry academics and practitioners everywhere (including Tesla's rank and file) make the distinction.

https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update

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Re:With the 745-Mile Solid-State Battery, Toyota Just Became... by valval on Monday July 24, 2023 @05:17PM (#36854313)
Which criteria of the level 3 does FSD fail? I don’t understand since it seems perfectly capable of driving by itself under many, many circumstances, many towns being among those. I just looked at the graphic behind your link, and FSD fulfills all of the requirements, and frankly basic autopilot does as well. Many automakers offer level 3 currently, Tesla of course having been first, but you’re right in saying that none offer level 4.

To me, the distinction between level 4 and level 5 seems abysmally stupid as well - how could you leave out the pedals and steering wheel if the car can’t operate by itself under all conditions, meaning level 4 = level 5. Maybe I just don’t have the IQ to understand what the industry academics and practitioners are conveying here.

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Re:With the 745-Mile Solid-State Battery, Toyota Just Became... by kube-system on Monday July 24, 2023 @05:35PM (#36854533)
Tesla does not offer a level 3 system. When using Tesla FSD, the driver is still responsible for supervising the operation of the system at all times and must intervene when and if the system makes an incorrect input. See the second row in the above-linked graphic.

Also see Tesla's site (buried in the support pages, rather than the marketing copy):

> FSD Beta is an SAE Level 2 driver support feature that can provide steering and braking/acceleration support to the driver under certain operating limitations. With FSD Beta, as with all SAE Level 2 driver support features, the driver is responsible for operation of the vehicle whenever the feature is engaged and must constantly supervise the feature and intervene (e.g., steer, brake or accelerate) as needed to maintain safe operation of the vehicle.

https://www.tesla.com/support/recall-fsd-beta-driving-operat...

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