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Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by JohnBooty on Thursday July 20, 2023 @09:02PM (#36808834)
Generally speaking, I don't believe anybody's name was permanently tarnished by the red scare, because it turned out to be such an utter farce of a witch hunt.

But, at the time, it of course did derail careers and destroy lives.

Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by nelox on Thursday July 20, 2023 @09:32PM (#36809038)
I'm glad communists are in the good books now
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by civilitty on Thursday July 20, 2023 @10:15PM (#36809262)
Marvel and LucasArts need to justify their acquisition cost.
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by OO000oo on Thursday July 20, 2023 @10:18PM (#36809275)
The red scare ruined countless families' lives. It was an absolute atrocity and continues to undermine the interests of working Americans to this day.
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by nerpderp82 on Friday July 21, 2023 @12:46AM (#36810097)
It is the reason union busting is "ok" and get such a bad rap.
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by duped on Friday July 21, 2023 @12:44AM (#36810090)
Joseph McCarthy's name is thoroughly tarnished.
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by hinkley on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:55AM (#36811196)
Completely disgraced is too good for him.
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by shellac on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:59AM (#36811232)
And it remains a stain on Elia Kazan's reputation.
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by ImHereToVote on Friday July 21, 2023 @01:37AM (#36810349)
Yes bit people accused of being Russian spies now are obviously spies. No evidence needed.
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by Georgelemental on Friday July 21, 2023 @01:56AM (#36810456)
Some people caught up in the Red Scare were guilty. The true positive rate was much smaller than it should have been, but it wasn't zero.
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by Closi on Friday July 21, 2023 @02:20AM (#36810591)
Also worth noting the impact/risk of leaking nuclear secrets would mean that if you thought there was a 1% chance someone was a spy you can’t ignore that.
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by KeplerBoy on Friday July 21, 2023 @02:11AM (#36810546)
Guilty of being socialists?
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by dr_dshiv on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:09AM (#36810866)
Went through your list. I didn’t get the sense of deep belief in communism nor antiamericanism. There seemed to be other incentives. Is there a good example?
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:21AM (#36810969)
Wikipedia isn't the right source for "the sense of deep belief", it's far too dry and factual for that.

The Rosenbergs were known as believers in Communism.

Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by mablopoule on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:43AM (#36811104)
Not OP, but I would recommend on this subject a podcast I've talked about in a previous comment [1], about the life or Hoover and the red scare in light of declassified knowledge of soviet spies in the US.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36257604

Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by lifeonlars on Friday July 21, 2023 @06:08AM (#36812046)
I don't think you studied either Klaus Fuchs or the Rosenbergs in much detail then. Whatever the merits of their actions or the cases against them, they were certainly dedicated Communists who did their best for a cause they believed in fervently.
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by dr_dshiv on Friday July 21, 2023 @01:02PM (#36816407)
I should have been clear — those were the 3
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by rurban on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:46AM (#36811136)
Even more they believed that the fascist had to be tamed. First the German fascists, but then the root of it all, the US fascists with their Hitler support and their genocidal anti-socialist world-domination program, bringing fascism to the whole world. I wouldn't call that betrayal, you could rather argue that the US fascists betrayed the oldest democracy.

Even Oppenheimer, who was a stance Anti-Stalinist and the liberal under the fascist security clique, had the very same view and motivation. Just from the far right.

https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Event... names many more.

Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by duped on Friday July 21, 2023 @06:45AM (#36812245)
Afaict none of those spies were caught during the first or second Red Scare
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by Fricken on Friday July 21, 2023 @10:02AM (#36813876)
Does the China Initiative count as a Red scare? It was recent. Didn't round up any spies either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Initiative

Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by nemo44x on Friday July 21, 2023 @07:51AM (#36812750)
It’s amazing how many people don’t bother to take a critical eye towards the “red scare” and just accept what their teachers, the media, and Hollywood have to say about. Each of those institutions has no shortage of communist sympathizers. Ignoring the fact that there were Soviet sympathizers all over. Sometimes the disease is so bad you need to use harsh therapies to rid the organism of its morbidity.

To this day it is in our best interests to root out and discourage communists and adjacent from participating in our republic. Anything less undermines our natural rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by thordenmark on Friday July 21, 2023 @02:03AM (#36810492)
Except that we now know McCarthy underestimated the degree of communist infiltration in the US govt, military, and media. The only farce was how he was vilified.
Re:Hollywood Movie Aside, Just How Good a Physicist Was Oppe... by Beldin on Friday July 21, 2023 @05:02AM (#36811636)
That's a simplistic outlook. Oppenheimer was a celebrated leader of the team that invented the bomb that ended the war... and then, very publicly, had his security clearance revoked and was basically dragged through the mud by the government that benefitted from his work and elevated him over others.

I would more equate it with someone being very publicly arrested for a horrible crime, only for the verdict to result in "not guilty" or the case dropped before going to court. You know, like OJ or MJ.