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Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by drBonkers on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @04:57PM (#36793263)
Are you serious?

> His parents are NYT chief White House correspondent Peter Baker, and New Yorker staff writer Susan Glasser.

Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by sgustard on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @05:28PM (#36793689)
Point is, his dad probably didn't write to the university president (which would be ironic at this point) asking him to admit his deadbeat son as a favor. The student earned his admission the same way anyone does: essays, grades, luck. I'm sure he was helped by the gift from his parents of good writing skills and some doggedness. "Legacy elite" tends to imply there's someone more deserving of his spot.
Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by doctorpangloss on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @06:15PM (#36794234)
It's not about admission. Without his parents, he would be removed from school for harassing a lesser faculty member. Like imagine making the same accusations, as a normal person, against your PI. Like he could have direct, first hand evidence of fraud, and it would be career suicide, if it weren't for his parents. Do you see?
Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by brightlancer on Thursday July 20, 2023 @03:11PM (#36805301)
> Without his parents, he would be removed from school for harassing a lesser faculty member.

That's conjecture, not fact.

When I was at Georgia Tech (THWG), the administration, via the Diversity Task Force, wanted to quietly change the school fight song (better to ask forgiveness than permission). So, the Technique student paper got the story together and published it before the admin could sink it.

I don't know if anyone at the Technique ever suffered for it; my recollection was that the Diversity Task Force, and the Director of Diversity Stephanie Ray, were pretty hostile to anyone and everyone who opposed their re-education ideas, so I presume there was retribution.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090726171257/http://technique....

Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by yreg on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @05:22PM (#36793614)
Your opinion that the people working at those position are 'legacy elite' is clearly not universal.

I'm not even sure what's 'legacy elite' supposed to mean, other than that it is I suppose negative?

Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by DirkH on Thursday July 20, 2023 @12:08AM (#36796786)
You're unaware there are people who more easily get into elite schools because of their parents?

Educate yourself. It is a widespread systemic problem often called affirmative action for Whites: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preferences

"Nepobaby" (as in nepotism baby) or simply "Legacy" is more commonly used.

This skips what is supposed to be a meritocracy and can quite straightforwardly be argued to be perpetuating an oligarchy and plutocracy

So yes, it's negative.

Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by yreg on Thursday July 20, 2023 @01:02AM (#36797043)
Legacy elite is not mentioned on that site, not sure how I was supposed to know what the poster means.

Anyway sounds pretty rude to claim that a specific student was admitted thanks to his parents without any evidence.

Thank you for your recommendation regarding the topics I need to educate myself on.

Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by bentlegen on Thursday July 20, 2023 @08:59AM (#36799806)
Basically folks have bought into conservative propaganda that white collar journalists are somehow equally “elite” as the ruling owner class.
Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by doctorpangloss on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @06:12PM (#36794194)
I too cannot believe it. Even the most diehard nonparticipating 20-year-old League-of-Legends-addicted coding-bootcamped hustlebro HN reader could fathom how being a senior journalist in the country's maybe #1 and #3 news institutions is like, a big deal.

Since it sounds like the other commenters are really confused about why it matters whose kid he is: like if you were just a regular person, you might be ejected from Stanford for pursuing something like this against a far lesser faculty member.

Imagine having first hand evidence of your PI doing fraud, which lots of people do by definition, and that is rightly seen as career suicide. Like even the postdoc in the story, who has the evidence, hasn't come clean! He can't just like, stop living the way this student can.

The students who relayed Marc Hauser's fraud to Harvard never went public with their identities. They don't get to win Polk Awards at all. They're not regarded as investigative journalists. This also prevents us from seeing what happened. I can tell you from my experience at least some of those students joined Hauser's prestigious lab for a medical school recommendation, which obviously didn't happen.

Nevermind research. Think about all the kids at e.g. private schools, younger kids, directly harmed by teachers molesting them, and you know, the kids are the ones who leave, not the teachers, for many decades and many institutions.

So it definitely mattered to be the son of some big deal people in New York.

That said, of all the things to deploy your nepobabiness on, this is a pretty good one, isn't it? Investigative journalism of the finest degree. I don't personally think that a Polk award determines the merit of the investigation; nor does even the publication, clearly. Anyone, everywhere, can be not only be an investigative journalist, but indeed a great investigative journalist. It is a legitimately great story of bringing this guy, who has clearly dodged bullets for a decade, to task.

Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by voz_ on Thursday July 20, 2023 @01:07AM (#36797072)
I like how, you write, and I agree. You have panache.
Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by tremon on Thursday July 20, 2023 @05:56AM (#36798548)
how being a senior journalist in the country's maybe #1 and #3 news institutions is like, a big deal.

Ok, so you've established how his parents may be considered elite. You haven't explained the legacy part though. Did his parents get their jobs based on his grandparents merits? Can they trace their lineage back to the Mayflower? If that is irrelevant, can you perhaps explain your conception of "legacy elite" and how it differs from regular elite?

[they] never went public with their identities[..] They're not regarded as investigative journalists

That's true. In order to be considered a journalist you have to go public with your findings. Otherwise, you may be an investigator but not a journalist.