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Re:Bad numbers in the “gzip beats BERT” paper? by refulgentis on Monday July 17, 2023 @10:45AM (#36758884)
Other reply is great, more in-depth on details from me here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36758681

Plain english TL;DR:

- if you limit your task to binning snippets of text

- and the snippets are very well-defined (ex. code vs. Filipino text)

- the snippets _bytes_ could be compared and score well, no text understanding needed

- size delta of a GZIP after adding one more sentence acts as an ersatz way to compare sets of bytes to eachother (ex. you can imagine a GZIP containing 0xFFABCDEF that has 0xFFABCDEF added to it will have a size delta of 0)

Re:Bad numbers in the “gzip beats BERT” paper? by fsmv on Monday July 17, 2023 @10:55AM (#36759024)
Did you read the recent Douglas Hofstadter article or do you just always use the word ersatz?
Re:Bad numbers in the “gzip beats BERT” paper? by refulgentis on Monday July 17, 2023 @11:12AM (#36759235)
I was homeschooled till 12 and mostly left to my own devices as long as it was reading - I believe that has caused a lifelong issue where I sound like a tryhard unintentionally :( (TL;Dr I use it but IDK when, didn't see hofstader article but now I'm looking forward to it)
Re:Bad numbers in the “gzip beats BERT” paper? by stavros on Monday July 17, 2023 @11:20AM (#36759322)
You can substitute the word "substitute" as an ersatz "ersatz".
Re:Bad numbers in the “gzip beats BERT” paper? by refulgentis on Monday July 17, 2023 @11:25AM (#36759383)
It's honestly weird and annoying and I'd give it up in a second.

There's two issues:

- I don't have an ear for what's simple vocabulary versus tryhard, I go into a mad loop when I try

- even if I actively notice it, substitution can seem very far away from intent. Simple wouldn't have occurred to me - I wanted to say something more akin to sloppy / stunt and ersatz is much closer to "hacky" in meaning than simple. Think MacGyver.

But I should do the exercise of at least scanning for words more often and aim for wider audience - I would have known ersatz was an outlier and I shouldn't feel it's condescending or diluting meaning, it's broadening the audience who can parse it

Re:Bad numbers in the “gzip beats BERT” paper? by stavros on Monday July 17, 2023 @11:31AM (#36759463)
Eh, it's fine, it doesn't sound tryhard to me, just a bit hard to read.
Re:Bad numbers in the “gzip beats BERT” paper? by inimino on Monday July 17, 2023 @05:51PM (#36764569)
Why would you apologize for your vocabulary and try to sound like someone less well-read than you are? Just get over it and be yourself.
Re:Bad numbers in the “gzip beats BERT” paper? by matthewdgreen on Monday July 17, 2023 @11:55AM (#36759759)
The word ersatz is great, and conveys the notion that the replacement is simpler and possibly inferior when compared across all features. “Substitute” doesn’t cut it. Human language (ironically w.r.t. TFA) isn’t a collection of redundant symbols, the synonyms carry all sorts of useful nuance.
Re:Bad numbers in the “gzip beats BERT” paper? by tonyg on Monday July 17, 2023 @02:31PM (#36762107)
It doesn't sound tryhard; it sounds literate.