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Re:Underground Heat Is Shifting Chicago’s Foundations by pengaru on Saturday July 15, 2023 @04:46PM (#36740796)
It's still built on marsh/mud
Re:Underground Heat Is Shifting Chicago’s Foundations by jjtheblunt on Saturday July 15, 2023 @05:31PM (#36741143)
Are there not pylons down into bedrock below the marsh and mud?
Re:Underground Heat Is Shifting Chicago’s Foundations by trillic on Saturday July 15, 2023 @05:40PM (#36741206)
The John Hancock building has some of the deepest caissons of any building in the world into bedrock.
Re:Underground Heat Is Shifting Chicago’s Foundations by MR4D on Saturday July 15, 2023 @05:53PM (#36741291)
Yes, but that bedrock is way down there.

From [0] : “Construction of the John Hancock Center began in 1965; however, was stopped in 1967 because the building kept sinking. Because of the John Hancock Center's lakeside location, 57 concrete caissons had to be sunk into 10 ft wide holes drilled 197-feet below grade into bedrock, resulting in the John Hancock Center having the deepest foundation of any building at the time.”

[0] - https://www.beck-technology.com/blog/how-did-they-build-that...

Re:Underground Heat Is Shifting Chicago’s Foundations by pixl97 on Saturday July 15, 2023 @08:11PM (#36742125)
In many places foundations are not sunk to bedrock, rock is far too deep to reach. Instead the pilings use friction to maintain their position.
Re:Underground Heat Is Shifting Chicago’s Foundations by jjtheblunt on Saturday July 15, 2023 @11:33PM (#36743305)
What places besides the mess in SF ? (I'm not sure how to search such a query, but super interesting)
Re:Underground Heat Is Shifting Chicago’s Foundations by charkbot on Sunday July 16, 2023 @12:52PM (#36749050)
Bedrock is very deep in Seattle. You can see the map here: https://pubs.usgs.gov/mf/1692/plate-1.pdf

For instance the space needle is just on a giant hunk of concrete that is only 30ft deep. https://www.spaceneedle.com/history#:~:text=An%20underground....

But from memory most large buildings in the downtown area are on deep foundations in soils, not to bedrock.

Re:Underground Heat Is Shifting Chicago’s Foundations by mcpackieh on Saturday July 15, 2023 @06:35PM (#36741556)
Are you thinking it might be decay heat from the marsh? With the right conditions, compost heaps and peat bogs can light themselves on fire.
Re:Underground Heat Is Shifting Chicago’s Foundations by pengaru on Saturday July 15, 2023 @08:02PM (#36742077)
I'm just thinking the journalism sucked to not even mention any of these obviously confounding factors.

Chicago's foundations are inherently unstable. IMO it makes being scientific about blaming "underground climate change" substantially more difficult. The journalist is out to lunch after strictly reporting on what these specific folks are saying and measuring.

If I didn't live and work there for years in the distant past, having spent many a nights drinking in bars below grade because of its history, I wouldn't know the amount of speculation the "science" reported in TFA really calls for.