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Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by sMarsIntruder on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:37AM (#36723024)
You know that the majority still lives outside cities, right? And the city attractiveness is getting worse every damn year, at least in the “west”.
Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by CCRpoundher on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:41AM (#36723068)
Cool. I would love to live in the country.

Have internet and work remote.

Little farm and grow some of my own food.

Use solar and wind to power my EV Ford-150.

Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by stavros on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:38AM (#36723039)
> And the city attractiveness is getting worse every damn year, at least in the “west”.

Maybe that would change if US cities were, you know, livable?

Europe is the "west" too, and the cities are a far cry better for people.

Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by Ultimatt on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:53AM (#36723256)
Everyone in the USA needs to take a pilgrimage to almost any city in the Netherlands.
Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by piva00 on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:43AM (#36723096)
If 100+ million Americans lives in cities, making cities not requiring cars to live in them is a pretty good plus, no? Rural people can keep having their vehicles if they need them, GP didn't say anything against that.
Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by Izkata on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:54AM (#36723274)
> making cities not requiring cars to live in them is a pretty good plus, no?

Some cities are doing this, but they're not the ones attempting 15-minute cities.

The 15-minute cities are doing things like putting up barricades to make driving more of a pain, without actually making them more livable in those confined locations.

Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by ryukafalz on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:04AM (#36723385)
Filtered permeability (which is what I think you're referring to re: barricades) does itself help you live without a car nearby. It cuts down on through traffic for cars in those areas which makes it safer and more comfortable to bike there.
Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by GaryNumanVevo on Friday July 14, 2023 @01:08PM (#36726773)
Exactly, why should cities optimize for people who have to drive into them, vs people who already live and pay taxes there?
Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by piva00 on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:00AM (#36723335)
> The 15-minute cities are doing things like putting up barricades to make driving more of a pain, without actually making them more livable in those confined locations.

Examples?

I live in Europe, 15-min cities are quite standard here so I don't really grasp this American issue.

Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by Izkata on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:22AM (#36723634)
Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by piva00 on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:27AM (#36723699)
Examples of cities, not one tweet from one location :)
Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by dashundchen on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:50AM (#36723213)
In which "Western" country do most people live outside cities?

80% of the US population lives in urbanized areas according to the Census bureau. And the density of the census tracts most Americans live in is rising.

And it is possible to have walkable and transit oriented rural areas. Much of the rural US initally sprang up around dense market towns and railroads.

Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by sokoloff on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:14AM (#36723502)
The definition of urbanized areas in the census is not what most of us would say "all of that is city living".

> To qualify as an urban area, the territory identified according to criteria must encompass at least 2,000 housing units or have a population of at least 5,000.

https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/guidance/g....

Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by enragedcacti on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:25AM (#36723667)
85% and 92% of millenials and Gen Z respectively say they will pay more to live in walkable communities. You can quibble about what constitutes a city but its clear there is a ton of unmet demand for higher density living in the US.

https://www.nar.realtor/magazine/real-estate-news/survey-buy...