Re:Git Magic
by yuvadam on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @01:54PM
(#3672282)
All these git tutorials are nice, and they might be beneficial for some people.
Personally, I find all these supposedly-helpful analogies useless and confusing. If I start to learn git, I would rather someone just tell me three things:
1. Git saves 'entire' snapshots of a directory on each commit.
2. Each commit resides in a graph and has a pointer to its parent
3. The only commit with more than one parent is a merge commit - which carries data on how to merge two previous commits.
Re:Git Magic
by js2 on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @03:35PM
(#3672738)
<pedantic>There are also root commits that have zero parents (a repo can have multiple roots). A merge commit differs _only_ in that it has more than one parent; it otherwise carries no additional data compared to any other commit.</pedantic>
The special treatment that you see when you "git show" a merge commit is computed by comparing the merge commit's tree to its parents' trees.
I'd also add a (4) to your list: a branch is a pointer (a "ref" in git jargon) to a commit that is updated to the most recent commit each time you create a new commit.
Oh, and maybe (5): HEAD is usually an indirect pointer to a commit via a ref, but can also point directly to a commit in which case it is a so-called detached HEAD.
Re:Git Magic
by icefox on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @05:45PM
(#3673296)
You can even have repositories that only have root commits. I have a git hack that stores blog entries in a git repository. Each entry is a root commit with one branch that points to all of the root commits. A fun crazy hack.
This is where I like Darcs. Your hack is actually the default there, because it is "obvious" that a patch representing a new blog entry doesn't depend on anything.
There, reverting any such patch would simply delete your entry without any more question (unless of course you committed another patch on top of it to, say, correct spelling). I assume this is the kind of advantage you get from your hack?
Re:Git Magic
by icefox on Saturday March 10, 2012 @10:34PM
(#3689459)
Yup I saw it a each "blog entry" being its own repository with its own history of corrections, updates etc. There was multiple master branches that groups blog entries such as "public" or with other tags. The real fun came because you could publish your git repository and when someone fetched it if they say used http they would only get the public branch and all those commits, but if you fetched using the key "bob" you could get all of the refs that were both public and bob. Those on the public branch would never know that they are missing refs because they have separate roots. And just to make things more fun you could have encrypted messages to boot with private keys.
Re:Git Magic
by alinajaf on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @02:39AM
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> 1. Git saves 'entire' snapshots of a directory on each commit.
Every time I've tried to explain this to someone who doesn't understand how gits content addressable data-store works, I've been met with disbelief or mockery. These days I just point people to the docs.
Re:Git Magic
by DiabloD3 on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @06:20AM
(#3675079)
Yeah, I don't why people don't understand persistent key/value stores using a has as the key. Its no different than any other typical use of any other typical kv store (such as BDB and such).
Git is rather well engineered for what it set out to do.
Re:Git Magic
by arscan on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @01:08PM
(#3672095)
So, off topic a little here, but does anybody else find the "title" attribute on the main content divs to be very irritating? Apparently I read with my mouse cursor sometimes (I didn't realize I did this), and that pesky "title" attribute constantly causes a tooltip to get in my way.
Re:Git Magic
by malingo on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @03:28PM
(#3672703)
Yes that has bugged me quite a bit; I first noticed it when reading his essay on C [1]. But since then I've installed Vimium [2] and I never even touch the mouse anymore.
Re:Git Magic
by vessenes on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @07:35PM
(#3673678)
Hey Ben,
A request for v2 -- I'd like more on topic branches, and good git hygiene. I usually send people to your book, and in fact, I learned my first git from it.
In the end, though, it encourages using git as a sort of backup-and-restore system, which is not the best and highest use of git.
The best and highest use of git is going to involve rebasing, collecting up and properly naming your commits, and making CERTAIN that one commit does one atomic thing to your codebase.
This just wasn't that obvious to me from git magic, but I think in the end it's the best part of git as a whole. Once I get people to stop using git reset --hard, my next training task is usually what I just described.
Re:Git Magic
by manojlds on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @01:23PM
(#3672152)
And this one:
Git may be disadvantaged more than other systems because single files are not tracked
Though I get what they are trying to tell here ( I know git to an extent), a newbie will definitely be lead down the wrong path with this line. I am doubting this entire thing has any magic at all.
Personally, I find all these supposedly-helpful analogies useless and confusing. If I start to learn git, I would rather someone just tell me three things:
1. Git saves 'entire' snapshots of a directory on each commit. 2. Each commit resides in a graph and has a pointer to its parent 3. The only commit with more than one parent is a merge commit - which carries data on how to merge two previous commits.
The special treatment that you see when you "git show" a merge commit is computed by comparing the merge commit's tree to its parents' trees.
I'd also add a (4) to your list: a branch is a pointer (a "ref" in git jargon) to a commit that is updated to the most recent commit each time you create a new commit.
Oh, and maybe (5): HEAD is usually an indirect pointer to a commit via a ref, but can also point directly to a commit in which case it is a so-called detached HEAD.
There, reverting any such patch would simply delete your entry without any more question (unless of course you committed another patch on top of it to, say, correct spelling). I assume this is the kind of advantage you get from your hack?
http://vimeo.com/14629850
Every time I've tried to explain this to someone who doesn't understand how gits content addressable data-store works, I've been met with disbelief or mockery. These days I just point people to the docs.
Git is rather well engineered for what it set out to do.
[1] http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/c/
[2] http://vimium.github.com/
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=161867
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=267462
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1064027
Anyway, if you really like this, you should consider getting a physical copy: http://www.amazon.com/Git-Magic-Ben-Lynn/dp/1451523343/
A request for v2 -- I'd like more on topic branches, and good git hygiene. I usually send people to your book, and in fact, I learned my first git from it.
In the end, though, it encourages using git as a sort of backup-and-restore system, which is not the best and highest use of git.
The best and highest use of git is going to involve rebasing, collecting up and properly naming your commits, and making CERTAIN that one commit does one atomic thing to your codebase.
This just wasn't that obvious to me from git magic, but I think in the end it's the best part of git as a whole. Once I get people to stop using git reset --hard, my next training task is usually what I just described.
So, you know, pretty please? :)
[1] git clone git://repo.or.cz/gitmagic.git [2] http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/a2x.1.html
Git on MSys is an alternative requiring minimal runtime support, though a few of the commands need some work.
Need some work on what? I hate it when some statements are made without giving any explanation
Known issues -Some commands are not yet supported on Windows, namely: git archimport, git cvsexportcommit, git cvsimport, git cvsserver, git instaweb, git shell. -git and bash have serious problems with non-ASCII file names (Issue 80, 159)
There are other known issues, but I think those are the most important.
Git may be disadvantaged more than other systems because single files are not tracked
Though I get what they are trying to tell here ( I know git to an extent), a newbie will definitely be lead down the wrong path with this line. I am doubting this entire thing has any magic at all.
However, this is a pretty good narrative, and is filling in some blanks for me. For instance, the git whatchanged command was new to me.