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Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by reaperducer on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:43AM (#36708991)
An emergency broadcast that reaches nobody is just as useful as a tweet that doesn't go out.

Except that emergency broadcasts (at least where I live) interrupt all television signals, all radio stations, all cable TV channels, all cell phones (unless you've intentionally disabled them), and one place I lived they even appeared on satellite TV channels. They even go out on satellite radio in North America. Then, if things get really bad, klaxons blare.

Comparing emergency broadcasts to social media doesn't make sense.

Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by slashdev on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:33AM (#36709765)
Emergency broadcast isn’t quite the word. Canada also has a similar emergency broadcast mechanism.

This is more like updates on an ongoing situation. Social media is a reasonable way to deliver that.

Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by taeric on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:59AM (#36709265)
Interrupting all signals that are in use by commercial companies, is still ultimately relying on commercial infrastructure, though?

Yes, signal usage is a bit easier to jump on top of as the government regulates those uses of signals. There really isn't a way to do that on the internet. Best they can have is to regulate that Twitter has to give them unlimited limits in emergency cases. Which, yes, they should do.

This will annoy a ton of "free market" folks, as it will almost certainly make it harder to enter the market as a competitor. Will look a lot like regulatory capture, all told.

Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by MichaelZuo on Saturday July 15, 2023 @09:32PM (#36742654)
> Interrupting all signals that are in use by commercial companies, is still ultimately relying on commercial infrastructure, though?

No, government owned cell towers, military owned cell towers, etc., also send out the signal, so even if every commercially owned cell tower suddenly vanished most cities will still be covered by enough signal strength for a few hundred bytes of text.

Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by altdataseller on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:50AM (#36709108)
Where do the klaxons blare from? And who decides to blare the klaxons?
Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by taylodl on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:01AM (#36709287)
Here in tornado country we have sirens that are used to warn of tornados. They're controlled by the county. They test them every Wednesday afternoon. You're supposed to tune in to news to find out what's going on. They're just an alert to tell you something (usually a tornado) is going on. They also were to be used in case of atomic attack.

If you hear the siren you're supposed to seek shelter and then tune in to find out what's going on. This is an effective way for dealing with any emergency, even outside of tornados.

Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by yurishimo on Thursday July 13, 2023 @04:20PM (#36715403)
In the Netherlands, emergency sirens are tested at Noon on the first monday of every month for 1 minute. If you hear a siren at any other time, it's serious and you seek out more information from sources relevant to your area.
Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by dmoy on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:02AM (#36709313)
> Where do the klaxons blare from?

Everywhere in a city, and more scattered the farther you go out.

If you ever lived in the Midwest, it's the same things that do the monthly-or-whatever tornado alert tests (and real tornado alerts).

> And who decides to blare the klaxons?

Depends on the situation. But it's not nationally controlled, so it depends on where you live. City or county or whatever

Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by tivert on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:08AM (#36709393)
> Depends on the situation. But it's not nationally controlled, so it depends on where you live. City or county or whatever

It's definitely city-level, in at least some places. I know because I was visiting a friend and heard the sirens go off. I assumed it was a tornado warning (i.e. actually serious), but it turns out that city (and only that city in the area) is dumb and blare the sirens for severe thunderstorm warnings, basically crying wolf every time.

Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by mschuster91 on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:29AM (#36709695)
It might just be a liability issue... basically, by warning people to stay inside during a declared natural weather crisis, they won't have to pay when people ignoring that go outside and get injured by a falling tree or whatever.
Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by tivert on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:45AM (#36709988)
> It might just be a liability issue... basically, by warning people to stay inside during a declared natural weather crisis, they won't have to pay when people ignoring that go outside and get injured by a falling tree or whatever.

Even in America, I can't imagine someone suing the city because they got injured during a storm, let alone winning their case and making the city pay.

The real story was someone got killed by lighting, and the city decided to "do something" so that never happened again. However, IMHO, they're going to shoot themselves in the foot because their citizens are going to be less papered for a tornado, which could kill many more people.

Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by mschuster91 on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:22AM (#36710653)
> Even in America, I can't imagine someone suing the city because they got injured during a storm, let alone winning their case and making the city pay.

In Germany, you absolutely can. It's called "Verkehrssicherungspflicht". Given how Americans can get sued by a random child wandering onto their property and injuring themselves on a trampoline or a swimming pool, even if the area is fenced off, I assumed that liability for natural disasters would be just as insane.

Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by irrational on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:59AM (#36709267)
I’ve never lived in a tornado area, but my understanding is they do have these as a tornado warning device in those areas.
Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by seszett on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:44AM (#36709964)
I suspect this depends on the country.

Here it's mostly fire departments and town halls that have the sirens, and they are controlled by the town hall, département (one level above) and the interior ministry, so each of these level can decide to blare the sirens it is responsible for.

It basically never happens except in real bad circumstances.

Actually I said "here" but I don't live in France most of the time, and here in Belgium it's only based on the phone network now, no sirens anymore.

Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by shkkmo on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:50AM (#36709103)
> Comparing emergency broadcasts to social media doesn't make sense.

The comment you are responding to is not doing that.

The point was that there is little value is using a niche social media platform for emergency broadcasts because so few people use it.

Sure, once you have the bigger platforms covered, there's no harm in adding smaller ones, but people calling to ditch twitter and use mastodon or some other service are being silly.

Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by jakelazaroff on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:07AM (#36709371)
Why ditch one? Just post to both.
Re:B.C. government hit tweet limit amid wildfire evacuations by alexandre_m on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:10AM (#36710434)
Exactly.

You should publish to multiple platforms if the message is deemed important. Nothing wrong with duplicating messages across private and public infrastructure websites.