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Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by HWR_14 on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @07:27AM (#36679460)
Profit is extracting money from customers.

Shareholder returns can come from profit, or selling off assets, or taking on loans, or underfunding pensions, or probably other ways financial experts can invent.

Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by lotsofpulp on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @07:59AM (#36679737)
The financing agreements surely require business assets and equity as collateral. At the end of the day, any cash flow that goes to the owners has to come from long term profits from the business, which comes from extracting money from customers.

Maybe not today or this year or next year, but everyone is always going to want a return on the money they put in, whether it be owner or lender.

Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by HWR_14 on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @08:22AM (#36679970)
Unless I sell off assets. Or take loans now, give the proceeds to the shareholders and get a bonus for it, and leave before the company declares bankruptcy. Or leave a unfunded pension obligation.

Or run a nationally important service into the ground and then need emergency government money to keep providing it.

Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by newsclues on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @08:06AM (#36679816)
Do we consider the government a customer?
Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by HWR_14 on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @08:23AM (#36679982)
If it's buying goods and services. I would not treat it as a customer, and instead one of the unenumerated other ways of generating shareholder dividends, if it paid money to keep a nationally vital industry from imploding under the weight of its bad choices.