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Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by blfr on Friday July 07, 2023 @06:07AM (#36629548)
"Choosing to enjoy life" is not how most people get fat. It's not meals with friends and family but rather scrolling tiktok and eating potato chips.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by whstl on Friday July 07, 2023 @06:14AM (#36629602)
Well, you're not wrong.

But on the other hand, even the most minor enjoyment (especially the kind that will make you guilty later) is still somehow a form of enjoyment.

Perhaps the bigger lessons is that small pleasures can be expensive in the long term. More than we think.

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by marginalia_nu on Friday July 07, 2023 @07:50AM (#36630292)
There's enjoying things, and being a servant of pleasure.

Plato puts it well in Gorgias; where he makes an analogy of two men tasked with keeping jars filled with wine, honey and milk.

The first man has jars of good quality, and is able to fill them up and they stay full and then he can go on about his life and be happy, the task of keeping them full causes him no grief. The second man has cracks and holes in his jars, so the pleasure always leaks out and he needs to spend every day topping them up in order to avoid misery. He's completely enslaved by the task and it's causing him daily grief to keep them full.

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by BOOSTERHIDROGEN on Friday July 07, 2023 @09:00AM (#36631063)
Isn’t that unfair the others have solid jars while you have leaked jars ?
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by marginalia_nu on Friday July 07, 2023 @09:05AM (#36631117)
I think the moral of the story is that if you find yourself in that situation, you should repair or replace the jar instead of spending every day in a futile struggle to keep it full.

It's more useful to view resolve, moral continence, self-control as things that you do rather than things you have been granted.

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by quickthrower2 on Friday July 07, 2023 @06:54AM (#36629860)
Eating shit and scrolling is enjoyable though, right? It just doesn’t sound as socially acceptable to admit it.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by gooseus on Friday July 07, 2023 @07:19AM (#36630062)
I think you can enjoy some potato chips and some short videos, but I have my doubts about how many you can consume in a row while maintaining enjoyment.

My experience is that the enjoyment one feels with the first few bites quickly transforms from seeking the pleasure of continuing, into avoiding the pain of stopping.

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by _Algernon_ on Friday July 07, 2023 @07:02AM (#36629922)
Being manipulated by greedy corporations into spending the bulk of your life in a human Skinner Box is enjoyable? Stop deluding yourself.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by JanSt on Friday July 07, 2023 @07:13AM (#36630020)
enjoying something != life fullfilment

Our biology enjoys those dopamine hits

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by maxfurman on Friday July 07, 2023 @09:24AM (#36631379)
Enjoyable in the chemical sense. It triggers your brain's reward pathways via dopamine just like anything else you enjoy.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by onion2k on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:02AM (#36630401)
If you could wave a magic wand and give someone a day to do whatever they want to do no one would be choosing chips and TikTok.

I don't think many people really enjoy it. It's just less painful than other things, or they don't have the resources to do what they actually want to do, or their choice requires something that's not possible right now... Chips and TikTok is the fallback, not the first choice.

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by nickpp on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:16AM (#36630553)
I wonder why we find life so painful that we find "chips and TikTok" as an acceptable default.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by hk__2 on Friday July 07, 2023 @11:41AM (#36633430)
What’s the issue with "chips and TikTok"? It’s virtually free, requires no new equipement and can be done anywhere. Depending on how your feed is curated, you can learn more things in five minutes on TikTok than the same duration on HN or any other website.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by mrcode007 on Friday July 07, 2023 @07:29AM (#36630121)
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by 331c8c71 on Friday July 07, 2023 @09:25AM (#36631392)
Not really I think. I think people eat more than they need because 1) it's a form of self soothing 2) habits and choice of food.

I for one gain weight pretty easily when I start eating carbs such as pasta and bread without restraint - even on holidays when I am pretty physical.