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Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by atulsnj on Thursday July 06, 2023 @11:27PM (#36626724)
This Microsoft attitude of embrace everything, I don't know how far this will take them.
Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by ravenstine on Thursday July 06, 2023 @11:45PM (#36626838)
It's okay. If all else fails, they have a team of sales bozos that will visit your company and convince them to use Edge as well as Teams. It's the Microsoft way.
Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by lockhouse on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:36AM (#36627197)
Businesses use Teams because it’s good enough and they’re already paying for Office so it’s free. Most of the alternatives cost money.
Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by nvy on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:28AM (#36627956)
There is no universe where Teams can be described as "good enough". It is without question the worst piece of software I have ever used.
Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by chewmieser on Friday July 07, 2023 @05:45AM (#36629382)
It’s no worse than any other electron app. Teams is fine man. It’s not perfect but you can do a lot through it and a lot of functionality is free.

Made perfect sense to switch to from Slack when it launched.

Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by nvy on Friday July 07, 2023 @11:08AM (#36632873)
I can only join Teams meetings (as a "Guest") if I'm signed out. If I'm logged in to my Microsoft account, I cannot join calls and get some weird error.

Nobody at Microsoft can resolve this error. It's been two years now.

Teams is objectively bad software.

Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by csydas on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:37AM (#36628023)
It's not free, it's about $6 USD per user per month for the basic edition, and as high as $22 USD per user per month for all the bells and whistles. [0]

Many bulk license discounts usually apply, but the narrative of "free and good enough" isn't really useful as it's not the case at all on either account. And you cannot mix and match lower tiers; the highest tier someone needs in your org defines what you pay. Yes, office licenses are bundled with Teams licenses, but you're paying quite a bit for it as a business regardless of how useful it is for most of your day to day work.

While Teams might seem nice in that it has connectors for power bi or bots or other loose integrations with other services, this ecosystem is not very mature or populated and at least from my experience, it's mostly in the hands of the System Admins who manage Teams/Azure for a company; you need to run resources on Azure or self-host most of the integrations (excepting the prebuilt apps like Polly (poll tool for polls in Teams)), you need to manage resources on Sharepoint/OneDrive as the data lives there, etc.

It starts to really add up after awhile. I don't think the main selling point of Teams is as a chat app, but instead as a monitoring app. Microsoft Viva will give you little reports on your work usage which is presented as a healthy work-life-balance helper, but ultimately it's just an employee monitoring tool. [1],[2] It was sold and pushed as the single business analytics tool from Microsoft with complete visibility into your employee time/work; from what I've seen on the Admin Center, it's quite deep in what it analyzes, despite a lot of the functionality it uses for monitoring being quite buggy (e.g., Status tracking is a non-trivial amount of reporting, but the actual Teams app status gets stuck all the time)

Teams is not a chat application, it is a monitoring application that can also do chat/video and monitor said chat/video. It is questionable in most orgs I've seen whether this feature is really useful/necessary once it's actually deployed, as the takeaway that managers have from the same reports is usually pretty vastly different and there are a wide range of interpretations applied. (this last part doesn't just apply to teams but all employee monitoring apps, but that is another discussion entirely)

0 - https://www.microsoft.com/en-ww/microsoft-teams/compare-micr...

1 - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-analy...

2 - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/admin/activi...

Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by lockhouse on Friday July 07, 2023 @07:30AM (#36630128)
It’s included with Office and nearly every business uses Office, therefore odds are good that your company already has a license to use Teams, thus it is free compared to having to pay for something like Slack in addition to that.
Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by coffeeling on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:50PM (#36635551)
> I don't think the main selling point of Teams is as a chat app, but instead as a monitoring app.

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about.

Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by proxiful-wash on Thursday July 06, 2023 @11:56PM (#36626905)
Uhhh... what do you think business people do?
Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by WWLink on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:28AM (#36627137)
Use microsoft products unilaterally, force them upon their employees via policy, and then consider anything not made by MS a security threat.
Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by DropInIn on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:16AM (#36627884)
Embrace Extend Extinguish - MS Eternal Mantra
Re:Microsoft Edge Pre-Installing Google Docs Offline Extension by DropInIn on Friday July 07, 2023 @09:45AM (#36631666)
Oh did I trigger some MS fanbois with the literal official mantra of MS from when I was a teen and young adult?