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Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by seizethecheese on Thursday July 06, 2023 @03:52PM (#36621828)
Instead of the model changing, it’s equally likely that this is a cognitive illusion. A new model is initially mind-blowing and enjoys a halo effect. Over time, this fades and we become frustrated with the limitations that were there all along.
Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by hungrigekatze on Thursday July 06, 2023 @04:17PM (#36622198)
Check out this post from a round table dialogue with Greg Brockman from OpenAI. The GPT models that were in existence / in use in early 2023 were not the performance-degraded quantized versions that are in production now: https://www.reddit.com/r/mlscaling/comments/146rgq2/chatgpt_...
Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by sroussey on Thursday July 06, 2023 @04:24PM (#36622328)
Oh interesting. I thought that’s what turbo was.
Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by refulgentis on Thursday July 06, 2023 @04:49PM (#36622790)
It was, that's what the comment says?
Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by colordrops on Thursday July 06, 2023 @04:01PM (#36621951)
It's both. OpenAI is obviously tuning the model for both computational resource constraints as well as "alignment". It's not an either-or.
Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by moffkalast on Thursday July 06, 2023 @04:19PM (#36622226)
No it's definitely changed a lot. The speedups have been massive (GPT 4 runs faster now than 3.5-turbo did at launch) and they can't be explained with just them rolling out H100s since that's just a 2x inference boost. Some unknown in-house optimization method aside, they've probably quantized the models down to a few bits of precision which increases perplexity quite a bit. They've also continued to RHLF tune to make them more in-line with their guidelines and that process has been shown to decrease overall performance before GPT 4 even launched.
Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by kossTKR on Thursday July 06, 2023 @04:45PM (#36622722)
No. Just to add to the many examples it was good at scandinavian languages in the beginning but now it's bad.
Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by andrepd on Thursday July 06, 2023 @04:51PM (#36622816)
Yep. It's amazing how people are taking "the reddit hivemind thinks ChatGPT was gimped" as some kind of objective fact.
Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by ghughes on Thursday July 06, 2023 @05:02PM (#36622978)
But given the rumored architecture (MoE) it would make complete sense for them to dynamically scale down the number of models used in the mixture during periods of peak load.
Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by whalesalad on Thursday July 06, 2023 @05:10PM (#36623100)
It definitely got nerfed.
Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by browningstreet on Thursday July 06, 2023 @05:57PM (#36623667)
I've never seen "nerf" used colloquially and today i've seen it at least a half-dozen times across various sites. Y'all APIs?
Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by whalesalad on Thursday July 06, 2023 @06:13PM (#36623921)
it's popular with gamers to describe the way certain weapons/items get modified by the game developer to perform worse.

buffing is the opposite, when an item gets better.

Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by mandmandam on Thursday July 06, 2023 @09:06PM (#36625657)
I've heard nerf used colloquially since like the 90's.

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Re:GPT-4 API General Availability by hospitalJail on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:44AM (#36630851)
Different circles. I imagine they don't game.