Re:Debunking the Myth of the National Dish
by akiselev on Thursday July 06, 2023 @02:04PM
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Rhetorical opportunism.
Re:Debunking the Myth of the National Dish
by nkozyra on Thursday July 06, 2023 @03:00PM
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Yeah, I find the idea that a flattened leavened (maybe?) bread with something on top is "pizza" to be quite a stretch.
Re:Debunking the Myth of the National Dish
by Stratoscope on Thursday July 06, 2023 @03:14PM
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Some of my favorite pizzas have no tomato sauce:
* White clam pizza
* Amici's Milano or Trentino
* State of Mind's Peas on Peas on Peas (when it's in season)
Why would the lack of tomato sauce make it not a pizza?
(You didn't specifically mention tomato sauce, but GP did and it sounds like you are in agreement? Please forgive me if I misunderstood.)
Re:Debunking the Myth of the National Dish
by nkozyra on Thursday July 06, 2023 @03:19PM
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I'm saying Bread + topping is not inherently a pizza. There are lots of other dishes that are bread + topping that we don't call pizza.
Is crostini a pizza? Is bruschetta? Is sabich? Is lahmacun? Arepas? Is an open face bagel with cream cheese?
Re:Debunking the Myth of the National Dish
by Stratoscope on Thursday July 06, 2023 @08:06PM
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Yes, bread + topping is by definition not pizza. Pizza is made with raw pizza dough and toppings, not with already-baked bread.
Of course if the pizza dough is wrapped around the toppings/fillings and pinched around the edge in a half moon shape, now it is a calzone, not a pizza.
Or is it an empanada? ;-)
And thank you for that list! I have never had sabich or lahmacun, so you have given me some new things to try.
Pizza is cooked on one side; it is cooked after adding toppings; it is cooked rapidly in an oven. Most flatbreads are flipped; some are cooked with open heat.
What makes it pizza specifically at that point?