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Re:Against Alcohol by TrackerFF on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:21PM (#36578236)
Yes, it is bad...but, what are the alternatives? Where I'm from, smoking weed is equated with being a junkie, and just getting caught with a positive urine test can ruin your life and career (no joke).
Re:Against Alcohol by hahnbee on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:34PM (#36578413)
Yeah best alternative is to not consume substances that negatively harm your body. im not sure if "easier said than done" is being applied here in terms of drinking in social situations or using drinking to simply cope with life, but you can find stress relief through people and the small things in life...? I can't drink because my body viscerally reacts negatively to it like I get hives. I think it sucks for social situations but I don't really find it necessary for me to find an outlet through substances but this is all personal experience.
Re:Against Alcohol by david2ndaccount on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:23PM (#36578264)
It’s possible to enjoy life without needing chemicals to do so.
Re:Against Alcohol by ranting-moth on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:34PM (#36578408)
Of course it is possible. But I think in modern society which our brains are definitely not evolved to handle, people use alcohol as an temporary escape.

Plus society (actually marketing, so society by proxy) tells you that you are odd/unusual for not drinking).

It's peculiar how we as species have evolved into this destructive behaviour.

Re:Against Alcohol by jaggederest on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:33PM (#36578396)
No, it is not. Asphyxiation is very unpleasant. Hint: anything made up of matter is a chemical.

You probably also enjoy a lot of "chemicals" that are mind-altering or intoxicating without realizing it, unless you're very strict about your diet indeed. Casomorphins are delicious, you see, and can life without chocolate really be said to be enjoyable? Better skip fruit juice and bread, as well, given that they certainly include a percentage of alcohol and fermentation byproducts.

Re:Against Alcohol by netule on Monday July 03, 2023 @05:03PM (#36578798)
> Asphyxiation is very unpleasant.

Nitpicking, but tell that to the asphyxiophilia crowd.

Re:Against Alcohol by OkayPhysicist on Monday July 03, 2023 @05:18PM (#36578995)
I'd argue that the intoxicating part of asphyxiation is the rush from the reintroduction of oxygen, more so than the suffocation itself. Though there's also something to be said for the adrenaline rush of your body thinking its dying.
Re:Against Alcohol by jkachmar on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:30PM (#36578350)
sure but some people also find life more enjoyable with the addition of recreational substances.

for such folks, especially ones who don't have much exposure to recreational drug use outside of drinking culture, i think GP's question is perfectly reasonable.

there are plenty of people whose drug of choice used to be alcohol and have since switched to something else and found equivalent or greater satisfaction; seems like this thread might be a good forum to have that discussion.

Re:Against Alcohol by eikenberry on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:27PM (#36578307)
Not everyone is that fortunate.
Re:Against Alcohol by goostavos on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:28PM (#36578328)
Easier said than done : (
Re:Against Alcohol by yodsanklai on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:48PM (#36578605)
> It’s possible to enjoy life without needing chemicals to do so.

I could list many pleasant things which are not required to enjoy life. Cannabis or alcohol are among them. Can be pleasurable without any adverse effect if used reasonably, which most people manage to do.

Re:Against Alcohol by lrvick on Monday July 03, 2023 @05:08PM (#36578858)
It is also possible to enjoy life without sex. For some people they would even prefer it. Others are depressed without regular access to it.

Everyone is wired differently, and some of us need different things to get occasional boosts of dopamine that help keep us motivated and productive in life. Best not to judge others when their dopamine sources differ from yours and cause no harm to anyone else.

Re:Against Alcohol by npteljes on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @04:06AM (#36583661)
What you're saying is on an individual's level, and what OP saying is on the population's level. It certainly is possible for an individual to stop abusing chemicals and to thus achieve a higher quality of life, but I can't imagine a whole society doing this, because of the historical examples. So, social poisons are here to stay, and alcohol seemed to be resilient to government intervention, so, that's all there is really.
Re:Against Alcohol by lordkirchner on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:27PM (#36578310)
Non-alcoholic drinks are really good and have lots of options now. Athleta Brewing Company and Phony Negroni, for example.
Re:Against Alcohol by LesZedCB on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:35PM (#36578420)
yeah athletic brewing is pretty amazing. i also just had a bbq yesterday and got some of the NA coronas and they basically tasted identical haha!
Re:Against Alcohol by pyrophane on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:25PM (#36578295)
Also, weed isn't really that comparable to alcohol anyway. It is a very different drug and while some people really enjoy it, others don't.

Also, while I do strongly believe that weed is healthier compared to alcohol, it isn't without it's own problems.

Re:Against Alcohol by xwdv on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:29PM (#36578337)
Weed is not “healthier”, stop spreading this mythical crap.
Re:Against Alcohol by jprd on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:30PM (#36578353)
How about, "evidentially less physically and societally damaging if consumed at what could be perceived as congruent levels"?
Re:Against Alcohol by ahahahahah on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:31PM (#36578366)
There's nothing mythical about it. Weed is certainly healthier than alcohol, just like coffee is certainly healthier than cigarettes. It's not about weed being particularly healthy.
Re:Against Alcohol by Mizza on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:28PM (#36578335)
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/professor-david-nutt-inv...

The same author as the book proposes a chemical alternative. He's an interesting guy.

Product page: https://gabalabs.com/

Re:Against Alcohol by OkayPhysicist on Monday July 03, 2023 @05:14PM (#36578935)
Reading about his alternative, it sounds a lot like GHB, which I suppose makes sense. In small doses, GHB gets you that drunk feeling with out the hangover. It looks like they're investigating ways of reducing the misuse/abuse potential relative to GHB, though, reading their patent.
Re:Against Alcohol by metadaemon on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:24PM (#36578281)
Weed is better in the states from that perspective. The best option is probably just working out though. Lifting can produce some fairly nice endorphins.
Re:Against Alcohol by paganel on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:33PM (#36578398)
For me good alternatives are good coffee and plain or sparkling water. About this latter choice I have to give an unironical shootout to /hydrohomies and to Cristiano Ronaldo [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2ZLS1V3iMw

Re:Against Alcohol by yodsanklai on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:46PM (#36578576)
It's pretty ironic that weed is frowned upon when alcohol is not. I very rarely drink (had alcoholic parents and learned the lesson), but I do enjoy smoking weed at times (2-3 times a month, at most). I find it much lighter and harmless than alcohol, no hangover, no risk of getting drunk and acting crazy. Yet, it's something I hide from my colleagues and family. There's still some stigma attached to it in my country.