Orwell said it pretty well:
> It is also worth emphasising once again that nationalist feeling can be purely negative. There are, for example, Trotskyists who have become simply enemies of the U.S.S.R. without developing a corresponding loyalty to any other unit.
From "Notes On Nationalism"
My point is that some people just hate the USA, think everything bad is somehow the USA's fault (even to the point of thinking all revolutions or coups are CIA plots, as if Those People had no agency of their own) and base their whole worldview on that hatred.
Some people write off every CIA plot as a harebrained conspiracy theory until they publish the papers about it 50 years later.
That would have made it much more difficult for aspiring regional hegemons to one day supplant it, as most countries would be attached to a rules based international order if it existed.
But they didn't and now Russia gets to play the "same shit, different hegemon" card and instead of the entire world pushing back against the invasion of Ukraine, it's just ~40 of the US's closest allies. The rest of the world doesn't care.
The UN is a pretty good map of how the world feels about the war I feel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assem....
77.90% of UN members voted for it, a handle of nations outside of Russia voted against it.
Not even Russias apparent biggest ally (China) voted against it they abstained instead.
* They are nonbinding.
* Countries lean on each other all the time to vote one way or another.
* Only 50% of those countries are even nominally democracies.
* Most state leaders hate secessionism, which is reflected in the votes, but that doesn't say much about how everybody else feels about it.
> * They are nonbinding, so they are purely symbolic.
So then why didn't more of Russias allies vote for Russia and why did so much of the world vote for Ukraine?.
Except for Belarus (and despite the appearance given by the existence of the CSTO) I don’t think Russia substantively has allies.
It mirrors this map:
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:State_positions_Ir...
I dunno if you've even looked at both maps they look nothing like each other.
The support for the resolution for Russia to leave Ukraine has far more support then the invasion of Iraq and even has large amounts of support amongst people with didn't support the invasion of Iraq.
> Although the UN vote was presented as an unequivocal condemnation of Ukraine invasion, the condemnation of the invasion actually came from countries representing just over 40% of the world's population.
Yeah and what percentage of the population voted against it?, im gonna guess without even really googling that is <3% of world population.
Duh. It mirrors because the support America could muster for its invasion was not much more than the support Russia mustered for its invasion.
This was also when America was at the height of its power and could cajole and bully other countries more easily.
>Yeah and what percentage of the population voted against it?
Probably a similar order of magnitude that supported the invasion of Iraq (in spite of furious and enormous protests for doing so).
This is literally not true.
The invasion of Iraq had support of the following countries.
> Australia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Ukraine, United Kingdom and (United States).
The opposition to the motion on Ukraine is supported by these countries.
> Belarus, Eritrea, North Korea, Russia, Syria
The invasion of Iraq was supported by closed to 10x more countries.
> Probably a similar order of magnitude that supported the invasion of Iraq (in spite of furious and enormous protests for doing so).
Once against objectively not true.
The population of the counties that voted against the motion for Russia to leave Ukraine
> 203.65 million
The population of the countries that voted to invade Iraq.
> 954.346 million
There was 5x more support nearly to the invasion of Iraq than the opposition to the bill of Russia to leave Ukraine.
4x. More, because America's power to lean on other countries is higher. As I said.
203 million and 954 million are also within the same order of magnitude.
I think no more discussion is warranted here.
What you really mean is “per some made up number I pulled out of thin air”.
You’re mad because you asserted things that all turned out to be incorrect and now you’re trying to apply made up maths to prove yourself right.
> 203 million and 954 million are also within the same order of magnitude.
By the tiniest amount you were able to be vaguely correct congrats. Nearly 5x as many people supported the invasion of Iraq compared to the invasion of Ukraine.
> I think no more discussion is warranted here.
Go ahead and scurry into the darkness like the rest of the Russian propagandists with confronted with reality.
I’m always amused by people who think that if the USA ceased its war mongering efforts no nation would try to fill that void and everyone would just get along nicely.