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Re:Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societ... by _kbh_ on Saturday July 01, 2023 @09:16PM (#36557187)
I think they are a great gauge of sentiment for exactly the first reason you pointed out.

> * They are nonbinding, so they are purely symbolic.

So then why didn't more of Russias allies vote for Russia and why did so much of the world vote for Ukraine?.

Re:Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societ... by dragonwriter on Saturday July 01, 2023 @10:25PM (#36557566)
> So then why didn't more of Russias allies vote for Russia and why did so much of the world vote for Ukraine?.

Except for Belarus (and despite the appearance given by the existence of the CSTO) I don’t think Russia substantively has allies.

Re:Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societ... by pydry on Sunday July 02, 2023 @06:01AM (#36559991)
They abstained, probably because of a combination of other countries leaning on them and a desire not to endorse secessionism as I already mentioned.

It mirrors this map:

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:State_positions_Ir...

Re:Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societ... by _kbh_ on Sunday July 02, 2023 @08:19AM (#36560772)
> It mirrors this map:

I dunno if you've even looked at both maps they look nothing like each other.

The support for the resolution for Russia to leave Ukraine has far more support then the invasion of Iraq and even has large amounts of support amongst people with didn't support the invasion of Iraq.

> Although the UN vote was presented as an unequivocal condemnation of Ukraine invasion, the condemnation of the invasion actually came from countries representing just over 40% of the world's population.

Yeah and what percentage of the population voted against it?, im gonna guess without even really googling that is <3% of world population.

Re:Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societ... by pydry on Sunday July 02, 2023 @10:05AM (#36561595)
>The support for the resolution for Russia to leave Ukraine has far more support then the invasion of Iraq

Duh. It mirrors because the support America could muster for its invasion was not much more than the support Russia mustered for its invasion.

This was also when America was at the height of its power and could cajole and bully other countries more easily.

>Yeah and what percentage of the population voted against it?

Probably a similar order of magnitude that supported the invasion of Iraq (in spite of furious and enormous protests for doing so).

Re:Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societ... by _kbh_ on Sunday July 02, 2023 @10:44AM (#36561922)
> Duh. It mirrors because the support America could muster for its invasion was not much more than the support Russia mustered for its invasion.

This is literally not true.

The invasion of Iraq had support of the following countries.

> Australia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Ukraine, United Kingdom and (United States).

The opposition to the motion on Ukraine is supported by these countries.

> Belarus, Eritrea, North Korea, Russia, Syria

The invasion of Iraq was supported by closed to 10x more countries.

> Probably a similar order of magnitude that supported the invasion of Iraq (in spite of furious and enormous protests for doing so).

Once against objectively not true.

The population of the counties that voted against the motion for Russia to leave Ukraine

> 203.65 million

The population of the countries that voted to invade Iraq.

> 954.346 million

There was 5x more support nearly to the invasion of Iraq than the opposition to the bill of Russia to leave Ukraine.

Re:Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societ... by pydry on Sunday July 02, 2023 @11:29AM (#36562351)
>The invasion of Iraq was supported by closed to 10x more countries.

4x. More, because America's power to lean on other countries is higher. As I said.

203 million and 954 million are also within the same order of magnitude.

I think no more discussion is warranted here.

Re:Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societ... by _kbh_ on Sunday July 02, 2023 @08:42PM (#36567387)
> 4x. More, because America's power to lean on other countries is higher. As I said.

What you really mean is “per some made up number I pulled out of thin air”.

You’re mad because you asserted things that all turned out to be incorrect and now you’re trying to apply made up maths to prove yourself right.

> 203 million and 954 million are also within the same order of magnitude.

By the tiniest amount you were able to be vaguely correct congrats. Nearly 5x as many people supported the invasion of Iraq compared to the invasion of Ukraine.

> I think no more discussion is warranted here.

Go ahead and scurry into the darkness like the rest of the Russian propagandists with confronted with reality.