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Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by gnopgnip on Thursday June 29, 2023 @02:55AM (#36517256)
>But where will these new people stay?

Housing is relatively affordable outside of Ontario and BC. Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton, Quebec City, Winnepeg, Halifax, Saskatoon, Regina, and St Johns are all major metro areas where homes are less than half the price of the GTA and Vancouver metro.

The obvious fix for Ontario and BC to make housing more affordable is to allow people to build more where people want to live by relaxing zoning requirements. In 80%+ of Vancouver and 60%+ of Toronto it's literally illegal to build anything besides detached single family homes. Little of the remaining land zoned for more dense development is suitable for development. There are some smaller changes like streamlining permitting, not exempting 100% of capital gains and incentivizing speculation, and a vacancy tax to discourage speculation that would help. The problem is any changes to make housing more affordable are politically unpopular, almost 70% of Canadians are homeowners and in the short term benefit from the status quo. Also younger people are ~20% less likely to vote.

Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by jbarham on Thursday June 29, 2023 @03:07AM (#36517337)
> Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton, Quebec City, Winnepeg, Halifax, Saskatoon, Regina, and St Johns

Yeah, all of these cities also have long, harsh winters.

FWIW I'm a Canadian who lived in California on work visas for several years and relocated to Australia in 2011, where I'm now a citizen. I've never regretted leaving Canada.

Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by raverbashing on Thursday June 29, 2023 @05:12AM (#36518134)
And Toronto's winter is not harsh?
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by antonvs on Thursday June 29, 2023 @05:26AM (#36518226)
Toronto is in what's known as Canada's banana belt. It's all relative.
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by voisin on Thursday June 29, 2023 @06:42AM (#36518713)
I’ve never heard anyone use this phrase. What are you talking about?
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by antonvs on Saturday July 01, 2023 @09:57PM (#36557418)
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by JimtheCoder on Thursday June 29, 2023 @10:03AM (#36520494)
Canadian here, lived in Toronto for about a decade.

There are many names that Canadians from outside Toronto call Toronto...few repeatable in polite company...but I have never heard this Banana Belt term either.

Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by antonvs on Saturday July 01, 2023 @09:56PM (#36557416)
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by kalupa on Thursday June 29, 2023 @10:27AM (#36520805)
Banana belt, what on earth are you taking about? Hogtown sure. Maybe even “the big smoke”, and not because of the current wildfires. But banana belt? First time I’ve heard it
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by antonvs on Saturday July 01, 2023 @09:56PM (#36557414)
Here some examples:

> "Affectionately termed the `banana belt' of Canada, this zone boasts the warmest average annual temperatures, the longest frost-free seasons, and the mildest winters in Ontario." -- https://caroliniancanada.ca/legacy/FactSheets_CCUniqueness.h...

> "The city where I live, Toronto, is situated in what Canadians call the banana belt, because of its relatively mild climate." -- https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/gardeners-have-a-sen...

> "The 'banana belt' or Carolinian Canada is a region in Ontario found south of a line which runs approximately from Grand Bend to Toronto." -- http://erintown.blogspot.com/

> "Although this area is also known as the “banana belt” of Canada, you won't find any bananas growing here!" -- http://onnaturemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2002-spring-c...

> "This part of Ontario is often known as the "Banana Belt", because of our moderate climate, in comparison to the rest of Canada." -- https://www.pinterest.es/pin/621919029764992451/

Multiple English dictionaries describe the term as specifically Canadian, e.g. Collins:

> "a region with a warm climate, esp one in Canada" -- https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/bana...

Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by horeszko on Friday June 30, 2023 @03:53PM (#36541203)
Not compared to most places in Canada its not. Toronto I would say is between 2C to -10C on average during the winter, -20C in the extreme. Cities like Regina and Saskatoon for example have winters in the range of -20C to -40C on average, and extremes can reach -55C. Its like comparing Alaska and NYC.
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by jszymborski on Thursday June 29, 2023 @07:52AM (#36519207)
Bully for you. You do realise a great number of us who live hear do so because we love it, weather and all, right?
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by ckdarby on Thursday June 29, 2023 @07:59AM (#36519268)
But did you give up your citizenship? Not much to regret when you always have the plan B.
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by wesapien on Thursday June 29, 2023 @03:11AM (#36517361)
I know a Realtor and they said those cities are already getting pumped.
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by voisin on Thursday June 29, 2023 @06:40AM (#36518706)
> Housing is relatively affordable outside of Ontario and BC. Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton, Quebec City, Winnepeg, Halifax, Saskatoon, Regina, and St Johns are all major metro areas where homes are less than half the price of the GTA and Vancouver metro.

This is not the right way to think about it. Yes these cities are cheaper than GTA/GVA, but that has always been the case. And this metric only matters if you are earning GTA/GVA incomes and looking for something cheaper than these mega cities to buy in, which arguably only affects a tiny percent of the population.

The right comparison is how these cities’ house prices compare to themselves of 3, 5, 10 years ago versus their average household income over the same time periods.

When you look at that, which is a much more relevant metric of affordability, you will find there is essentially no city in this country that hasn’t been absolutely obliterated on affordability over the last decade.

7-10 years ago it was a GTA/GVA affordability issue. Now it a story of every podunk 2 horse town from coast to coast. Why? Because of interest rates! The BoC, like most central banks, left rates too low for too long and then massively overreacted to COVID.

Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by ZoomerCretin on Thursday June 29, 2023 @01:16PM (#36523436)
Why would an immigrant care how much housing prices were in a city 3, 5, or 10 years ago? That has absolutely nothing to do with how affordable it is right now.
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by brutus1213 on Thursday June 29, 2023 @07:03AM (#36518851)
Issue is not just housing. Our health services and infra is crumbling. 401 near Yonge st is jammed nearly 24 hours (yes!!!). We literally have no more space for cars. We have switch to the 407 for as much travel as we can (and it is crazy expensive and silly given how much tax I pay as a techie).

The ERs in GTA are just always clogged. I've had to deal with multiple instances of 10+ hour waits in the ER. When they were not addressed in time, one such incident got worse, and ended up in a 10 day serious hospital stay (love the logic on that one).

Getting an appointment with any sort of specialist is also a gauntlet.

I'm an immigrant and it was surreal hearing the new Toronto mayor talk about how much she accomplished as an immigrant to Canada. It was indeed possible when she and I came to this country. It is a fantasy today. GTA has become a terrible place to live in a very short time period.

Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by sgt on Thursday June 29, 2023 @07:11AM (#36518898)
Immigration is a double edged swords. It's one way to grow an economy rapidly, but you can't really do it without proper 10-20 year ahead planning. Not a real surprise, since most politicians are concerned with short term wins.
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by arroz on Thursday June 29, 2023 @07:12AM (#36518905)
Price has also been going up in the cities you called “relatively affordable”

I live in the middle of nowhere and when renewing my annual lease my rent went 10% up

It is expensive for most people who live here

And Calgary prices have shooted up due to people leaving BC and ON. Not as expensive as BC or ON but nevertheless local people are feeling the changes.

Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by swat535 on Thursday June 29, 2023 @01:25PM (#36523593)
I live in Montreal and prices for new condos are nearly 1M, rent has been steadily increasing and wages are pretty low.

To make matters worse, enjoy not having any road infrastructure, dealing with construction and traffic, paying the highest tax in country and dealing with an incompetent government who is more concerned about replacing stop signs that say "STOP" with "ARRÊT" instead of focusing on healthcare, education and employment.

I'm not sure why everyone thinks we live in a paradise. Montreal is only "hip" if you are 18 and want to go clubbing at night. The allure of "Jazz Fest" drops off quickly.

Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Thursday June 29, 2023 @04:34PM (#36526324)
These are tech talents though. Tech offices are in the big cities
Re:Canada announces open work-permit for tech workers and di... by leshow on Sunday July 02, 2023 @10:38PM (#36568066)
> The obvious fix for Ontario and BC to make housing more affordable is to allow people to build more where people want to live by relaxing zoning requirements.

The market has proven totally unable to solve the housing crisis and your solution is to relax regulation and incentivize builders to make more profits. The price of units and homes is already too high, incentives will just get us more market rate or above housing.

Here's another option: start to decommodify housing by building good, mixed income public housing. Vienna and Singapore have two different models that could work here.