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Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by stared on Monday June 26, 2023 @06:26AM (#36477899)
Eugenics, when taken literally[1], is a good thing. We would rather have healthy kids than suffer from avoidable conditions like Fetal Alcohol Syndorme. Or deficiencies due to malnutrishment of their moms. See "You're probably a eugenicist" (https://dissentient.substack.com/p/eugenicist)

[1] Historically, horrible things happened in the name of eugenics. So did in the name of medicine. Does it mean that we should forgo medicine? No.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by boffinAudio on Monday June 26, 2023 @07:04AM (#36478154)
Eugenics is a vile and repugnant subject to be supporting.

Nobody is qualified to state whether another human being should be allowed to live on the basis of 'faults' in their person.

It is a totalitarian-authoritarian dogma that must die.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by stared on Monday June 26, 2023 @07:48AM (#36478496)
What you do is a strawman fallacy.

Eu-genics is literally good-birth. We already do a lot of things which are de facto eugenics (e.g. choice of mating partners, prenatal screening, good diet, social actions to reduce alcohol consumptions among women) are 100% eugenics. And most people consider them beneficial.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by boffinAudio on Monday June 26, 2023 @07:59AM (#36478577)
Absolutely nonsense.

You are attempting to equivocate heinous racist ideology with 'natural cause'.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by bdowling on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @02:14PM (#36496628)
> Eu-genics is literally good-birth.

This is a reverse straw man argument [0]. You present your position as something easy to defend (good birth, choice of mates, good diet, etc.), even though some parts of it (forced sterilizations, genocide, etc.) are difficult or impossible to defend.

[0] https://en.liberpedia.org/Reverse_straw_man

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by stared on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @04:39PM (#36498340)
A false dichotomy.

It is like saying that if I one is in favor of medicine, they are in favor of the human vivisection and lobotomy. We can (and often - need to be) selective.

I don’t argue for every kind if eugenics. Yes, a lot of it were atrocious. And I am against that as well. Yet, I guess you are in favor of things we already do (mentioned in my previous comment).

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by bdowling on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @11:40AM (#36508084)
The word eugenics has significant negative connotations that are probably not going away any time soon. So if you continue to use that word for its broader meaning, you will continue to run into trouble.
Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by stared on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @02:35PM (#36510606)
I am dead aware of the connotations. Though, I expect people on HN to focus more on definitions than connotations; the latter is a very approximate tool to grasp ideas, and only the simplest ones).

So, I don't use the word eugenics on its own. UNLESS someone says, "oh, this is eugenics" - as a catch-all argument against a thing. For example, the Polish government banned abortions in most cases, including serious fetal defects. It used to be one of a few exceptions, among the mother's health or life being in immediate danger. The government phrased it as "a ban on eugenic abortions". Yes, by all means, these abortions are eugenic - so to argue otherwise would be dishonest. Yet, this is one of the cases where the majority of the population (even in a religiously conservative country such as Poland) would be in favor.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by bdowling on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @08:57PM (#36594390)
I think you may be confusing the etymology of a word, i.e., where it came from, with its meaning as used by the speakers of a language.

Here's a definition from a commonly cited online dictionary of American English:

> eugenics

> : the practice or advocacy of controlled selective breeding of human populations (as by sterilization) to improve the population's genetic composition

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eugenics#dictiona...

Here's another definition from the Oxford Dictionary of English Third Edition:

> eugenics | juːˈdʒɛnɪks |

> plural noun [treated as singular]

> the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by LocalH on Monday June 26, 2023 @08:08AM (#36478649)
To pivot the conversation slightly, I presume you would also be against the death penalty?