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Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by askonomm on Sunday June 25, 2023 @02:29PM (#36471213)
No more waterproof phones I guess. This saddens me. I find it very useful when driving my bike outdoors with it being mounted to my bike.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by kvdveer on Sunday June 25, 2023 @02:33PM (#36471255)
Contrary to how this bill is usually portrayed in the news, this bill allows for using screws and gaskets. Those are enough to make a phone waterproof. Lots of other waterproof equipment achieves Ip68 with only screws and gaskets. I don't see why phones should be any different.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by kwanbix on Sunday June 25, 2023 @02:31PM (#36471228)
Yeah, I honestly don't see the advantage.

What I would ask is that companies that create phones without replaceable batteries, should provide replacement by a reasonable fee (let's say no more than 9% the cost of the phone).

Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by celestialcheese on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:18PM (#36471648)
The problem that these bills are trying to solve isn't just consumer, it's End of Life management at the recycler level. Glued-in, Li-ion batteries over the years have caused so much headache for ewaste processors. Apple has improved over the years with their glue tabs, but it's still a big problem in the market as a whole.

https://www.popsci.com/energy/lithium-ion-batteries-recyclin... https://www.waste360.com/business/li-ion-battery-fires-unfai...

Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by kwanbix on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:05PM (#36472057)
That is why I said that companies should provide a reasonably priced battery exchange program.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by limuc on Sunday June 25, 2023 @02:34PM (#36471270)
No. There are already phones that can do this. For example the Samsung Xcover 5.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by robotnikman on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:27PM (#36471726)
The Samsung Galaxy S5 has a replaceable battery and was waterproof, so they are not mutually exclusive options.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by lost_tourist on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:34PM (#36471786)
You have that little confidence that engineers can make things waterproof? all it takes is a sealed environment with a gasket and a bunch of screws. Making "clip in" backs that are waterproof is a challenge, but there's no reason that has to be the norm, screws have worked for centuries and don't break nearly as often as clips
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by c2h5oh on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:33PM (#36473352)
You can still have a waterproof phone with replaceable battery through the revolutionary technology of gaskets ;-) There were several models like that already before manufacturers figured out it's cheaper to glue them
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by WeylandYutani on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:27PM (#36473734)
Price matters to consumers. If phones become more expensive because of this virtue signalling regulation it will be killed. The EU parliament is still a democracy.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by rypskar on Monday June 26, 2023 @03:00AM (#36476597)
Fairphone have replaceable everything and is IP54 rated [0], making it weather proof

[0]https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/103775548405...