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Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by madeofpalk on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:34AM (#36467133)
Maybe it'll play out differently on the low-end, but on the high-end it seems there's been some "soft collusion" where one manufacturer raised prices, and others saw that as a signal they can also raise their prices.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by jacquesm on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:37AM (#36467164)
Yes, that is a problem, but that's a different kind of regulation (anti-trust). The EU also tends to be pretty good at busting such things, but they take their sweet time to do it.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by benj111 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @11:45AM (#36469437)
In the low end, surely you'd get more standardisation. Same processor, screen, Bluetooth and mobile chips.

So that from an update pov it's easy. They can always differentiate with cameras, batteries, cases etc.

Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by sroussey on Sunday June 25, 2023 @12:05PM (#36469673)
So a communist phone for the lower class?

That’s the not-nice way of saying the same thing.

I’m not sure if I am for or against that without more thought.

Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by jacquesm on Sunday June 25, 2023 @12:20PM (#36469842)
I'm still on a dumb phone and that's because I think spending $800 on a phone is ridiculous. And it's not like I can't afford it.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by klipt on Sunday June 25, 2023 @12:52PM (#36470198)
An iPhone SE is half that. A budget Android half again. Both completely usable, just won't replace your mirrorless camera just yet.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by jacquesm on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:23PM (#36470592)
There are other reasons.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by sroussey on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:03PM (#36470331)
I spend money where I spend time: phone, chair, monitor, mattress.

I rarely drive so my car is 19 years old.

I use my phone daily (right now!) so I have the newest one.

Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by tcfhgj on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:08PM (#36472078)
Why explicitly the newest one?
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by sroussey on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:53PM (#36472476)
I’m on the apple upgrade program. So I just pay monthly. I could skip a year and own the phone, but don’t really care. I want the best cameras. Life is too short.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by WeylandYutani on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:14PM (#36473637)
Exactly. Normal people have already replaced their computer with phones so how old is the PC that HN commentators use? Five years?

Phones are appliances that are being used up to 10 hours every single day. And sure you can keep repairing them but at some point buying a new one will actually be cheaper.

Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by dotancohen on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @11:12AM (#36507642)
I'd love some honest mattress advice.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by cbzoiav on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:37PM (#36471810)
I'm on a pixel 6A. It cost me under £200 factoring in the trade in deal that let me trade in a 10 year old phone (if you don't have one eBay one for £5).

And there are plenty of reasonable smart phones for less than £100 these days. You can get something like a Motorola E13 for under £70 that will do everything most people use their phones for well (beyond the camera being nothing special, but we're comparing to a dumb phone).

Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by gizmo686 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @02:51PM (#36471406)
Standadized parts are an idea from the industrial revolution, not communism.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by bmicraft on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:05PM (#36471531)
White-labeling an oem part is not exactly the kind of communism Marx was known for
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by tormeh on Sunday June 25, 2023 @12:05PM (#36469678)
I think it's more that higher price = more flagship. A higher price is in itself a sales argument to a certain audience. If you just want a competent phone there's no reason to buy a flagship one.
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by tomatocracy on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:52PM (#36470886)
Yes - at the very high end, smartphones are a luxury goods market. There's an old adage in luxury goods that "if your product isn't selling fast enough, raise the price".
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by TeMPOraL on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:09PM (#36473113)
IDK, I always save up and buy flagships, and convinced my wife to do the same, because that's the only reliable way to guarantee neither of us will have to suffer through a phone that chokes under its own stock software, and is a constant pain to use. So yes, I'm one of those for whom "higher price = more flagship" is an argument, mostly because so far, "most flagship = bestest specs" and "= most care taken by the vendor".
Re:Making sense of the EU’s fight for user-replaceable smart... by fomine3 on Monday June 26, 2023 @01:06AM (#36475924)
The "collusion" was 5G. Everyone raised price, thanks to Qualcomm?