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Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by bscphil on Saturday June 24, 2023 @01:26AM (#36455825)
> even if they are allowed to break the rule they are still breaking the rule.

This is exactly right, I think, and in fact those who are focusing on the "intent" of the rule or on whether a violation of the rule is justified seem to have missed the clear wording of the instructions:

> Again, please answer the question of whether the rule is violated (not whether the violation should be allowed).

So the only questions that ever enter into it are (a) is this object a vehicle?, and (b) is the object in the park?

> a park sign that says no vehicles also applies to bicycles and skateboards.

Interesting, my dividing line was that a bike is a vehicle but a wagon, rowboat, or skateboard are not. The majority seems to think both a bicycle and a memorial tank (??!) are not vehicles under the rule.

Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by sethammons on Saturday June 24, 2023 @04:51AM (#36456837)
A non functional tank. It is the same as a painting of a tank or a statue.
Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by bscphil on Saturday June 24, 2023 @03:02PM (#36461692)
A broken car is still a car! If I pushed a broken down Honda Civic into the park with the gear shift set to neutral and left it there, surely that would break the rule?
Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by chipsa on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:08AM (#36466589)
Is a sculpture of a car a vehicle? The broken car is still a car because the intent of the thing is stop to be a car. A memorial tank is not intended to be a vehicle, but rather be a sculpture. A sculpture is usually not a vehicle, even if it may look like one.
Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by cgriswald on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:04AM (#36457544)
In the absence of a definition of vehicle I chose to define it as any device that is a conveyance. Thus a wagon, rowboat, and skateboard are all vehicles in the park (even if not in use).

However, the tank was not functional. Since it cannot convey it is therefore not a conveyance and therefore not a vehicle. It’s only shaped like a familiar one.

I matched the majority only 11% of the time.

Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by Tao3300 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:17AM (#36458458)
I can't find any definition of tank that doesn't describe it as an armored fighting vehicle. If it's a tank, it's a vehicle. If it's not a vehicle, don't call it a tank.

The scenario said tank. A tank is a vehicle. No vehicles in the park.

Edit: I matched 11% as well!

Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by HelloMcFly on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:24AM (#36458497)
Does the tank ever become not a vehicle? Rusted to the frame?

In my view no matter what the tank originally was, it ceases to be a vehicle when it can no longer act as a conveyance. A tank (and any vehicle) is not just a form, but a function. Is a car with no motor, no tires, no transmission a vehicle? I do not believe so, because it cannot and lacks the possibility of moving without a substantial transformation.

Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by Tao3300 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:53AM (#36458715)
Is a bicycle only a vehicle if equipped with a human?
Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by HelloMcFly on Saturday June 24, 2023 @11:27AM (#36459501)
The bicycle is quite capable of acting as conveyance for a human (or perhaps bicycle peddling robot, or trained animal) in its current form, so that's an easy "no" from me.

As I said, if the thing can (i.e., without significant, non-trivial alterations to its current form) act as conveyance then it is a vehicle. It need not be in the act of conveyance, nor must it have an independent means of propulsion.

Edit: my simple rule breaks down when thinking about a flat piece of wood attached to rope. My mind says that's only a vehicle if someone chooses to use it as such for pulling objects or people. I'll leave the search for a universal maxim to others, it seems.

Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by feikname on Saturday June 24, 2023 @12:12PM (#36459909)
Interestingly, in Brazil's transit code a person carrying their bycicle unmounted is considered a pedestrian. Otherwise, they're a non motorized light vehicle.
Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by roelschroeven on Saturday June 24, 2023 @01:50PM (#36460946)
Belgian traffic code says "Het niet bereden rijwiel wordt niet als voertuig beschouwd.", i.e. "The bicycle that is not ridden is not regarded as a vehicle." When you walk next to your bicycle, you're effectively a pedestrian here. No idea how things are defined in other countries.
Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by tsukikage on Saturday June 24, 2023 @02:34PM (#36461441)
Pretty sure that bit’s broken. Anyone seen it give any other value than 11%?
Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by chipsa on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:05AM (#36466568)
A memorial tank is not a vehicle, it’s a metal sculpture. The intended use is no longer to move, but rather to sit there.
Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by HelloMcFly on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:20AM (#36458474)
I applied the same mental model and also ended with 11%. It's a vehicle if it is transporting people, things, or itself (e.g., the R/C car).
Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by elishah on Saturday June 24, 2023 @04:45PM (#36462504)
> It's a vehicle if it is transporting people, things, or itself (e.g., the R/C car).

If transporting oneself counts, are all the people in the park vehicles? And all other animals, down to the microorganisms, that are capable of self-transport?

Or I suppose even in the case of transporting other things, people would count as vehicles if they are carrying anything or wearing clothes?

Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by HelloMcFly on Saturday June 24, 2023 @11:05PM (#36464810)
I realize this is the point this article was making, but I must say this is exactly the level of pedantic-as-the-point conversation that I no long put up with in my adult life.
Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by zerocrates on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:37PM (#36464093)
The 11% seemed odd to me... I selected only 3 violators: the car, the ambulance, and the police car, and those seem to be the only majority-chosen violators according to the graph so I would think I matched 100%?
Re:The rule says, “No vehicles in the park” by evandale on Saturday June 24, 2023 @11:19AM (#36459425)
I was similar, a bicycle is a vehicle and I even called the toycar a vehicle because I think they were talking about those cars kids build and race down hills. I was considering more about "how is this typically powered?" and "what is the F=ma if it hit someone?"

If it's typically not human powered, a human typically rides it, it's typically heavy, and typically accelerates enough to seriously injure another person with minimal damage to yourself it's a vehicle. That's why skateboards and horses aren't vehicles but the bike and toy car was. Even the bike is dicey but it's fairly unanimous throughout the world that a bike is a vehicle.