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Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by dgellow on Thursday June 22, 2023 @11:04AM (#36433227)
I cannot stand discord. Everything in the screen is trying to grab your attention all the time, unless you explicitly disable all sorts of notifications. It’s also really hard to follow discussions if you’re off for some time or want to understand what people are talking about when you join a channel.

The async aspect of forums worked way better for community building in my opinion.

Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by dsir on Thursday June 22, 2023 @11:40AM (#36433875)
In my opinion Discord got some things right in the community space. Their voice chat system is very good and the way they have channels allows for discussion to be spread across different topics under the same umbrella (community). On Reddit for example, each community only has a singular discussion board. One of the biggest issues with Discord however is how the content is lost into the abyss. The discoverability of content on the platform is basically non existent.

This realization that the online community space has grown more diverse than just a single medium was the inspiration for us building Sociables.

We've been working on a community platform that combines the feature set of Discord with the discussion boards and discoverability of Reddit. It's like a Discord/Reddit/Patreon hybrid where the posts are search engine indexable. We've built a place to monetarily incentivize ownership over the communities created on the platform as it feels like the people curating the communities should be rewarded for the work that they do.

https://sociables.com/browse/all

Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by Sharlin on Thursday June 22, 2023 @11:12AM (#36433368)
I mean, IRC was great for communities, and Discord is just a modernized, centralized IRC, for better or worse. And one of the "worse" parts is the incredibly cluttered, in-your-face, ADHD interface.
Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by dgellow on Thursday June 22, 2023 @11:27AM (#36433625)
It’s anti-ADHD. I have an ADHD diagnostic, using discord is a constant fight. You’re trying to follow fragmented discussions, while receiving notifications everywhere that more things are happening at the same time.
Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by jabroni_salad on Thursday June 22, 2023 @12:36PM (#36434775)
I am also diagnosed and I have an alright time. Here are my reccs:

1. Set your own notification preferences to @notifications only. Tell your friends they need to tag you for anything urgent or you won't see it until later. For bigger servers where you might want to get notified from a news channel, just set preferences on that channel or see if there is an optional notification role available. I check the backlog on my favorite channels only once or twice a day and they do not bother me out of band, ever.

2. Review your list of servers and leave any that abuse @everyone or that you have not actually checked into for awhile. This is user behavior, not the platform.

3. just speedclick all the fucking tutorials once and they will not come back.

Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by tinus_hn on Thursday June 22, 2023 @02:21PM (#36436499)
You can just change the ‘suppress @everyone’ setting for a server to avoid getting notified.
Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by pmoriarty on Thursday June 22, 2023 @01:30PM (#36435721)
Discord desperately needs threading.

I prefer the Slack model where you can reply inside a thread and you replies stay within the thread instead of being scattered all over the place like IRC.

I hate to admit it, but this is one thing that Slack does better than IRC, except that in that model you do miss seeing everything that's talked about in the channel (because many of the conversations are hidden in the threads), but it's a better model for organization.

Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by nkjnlknlk on Thursday June 22, 2023 @01:54PM (#36436086)
Discord does have threading and a pseudo-forum view as well.

None of that changes its main societal flaw which is being a walled garden. So much loss of information.

Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by Tyr42 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @02:23PM (#36436538)
I don't really want my wisecracking with my friends published forever, so WAI?
Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by majormajor on Thursday June 22, 2023 @02:45PM (#36436859)
I agree, there's a solid case to be made for "archiving requires additional work" compared to "archived by default with very high effort required to escape it" like most of the web today; just look at the recent discussions of the US government buying up various databases of personal data. Few people would want that to include what they said when they were 15 and bored.

Course, the bigger problem with centralized corporate services is that discord themselves could be shipping off that data on the backend to god knows who... but from the "protect me from other individual harassing me forever about shit I said once" front, Discord has some obvious appeal.

Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by abnercoimbre on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:44PM (#36437687)
Even so, I see community members searching for gossip on what some ex-member said on Discord years ago.

So I find that digging things up still happens (even a former employer did it to me!). I guess it feels more self-contained though, and it spreads a little slower.

Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by majormajor on Thursday June 22, 2023 @04:16PM (#36438252)
Yeah, it's slower, not impossible.

Throwing back to the past, central logging is new, and twenty years ago it would've been hearsay where many people couldn't verify those claimed past conversations. I would have no issues with a two-month default expiry policy for these things.

Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by SirMaster on Thursday June 22, 2023 @02:03PM (#36436230)
Discord does have that, via Forum channels.
Re:Discord is opening the monetization floodgates with micro... by waboremo on Thursday June 22, 2023 @02:03PM (#36436222)
I really disagree with the community building part, but I do agree with the defaults on Discord being horrible.

With the community building aspect, forums were not great for it. Due to how fragmented it was, and how subforums were often dramatically different sections, this meant that unless you were genuinely deeply into [topic] and were spending numerous hours per day regularly you would not build a community at all there. This is why on most forums, it's only the trolls who became known, they had that cross-contamination aspect. Forums also had a lot of UX that discouraged caring about the user. Names were tucked away, profile images were tiny, people hid signatures due to how obnoxious they got. They became the equivalent of reading a mailing list you were randomly added into.

This doesn't really excuse Discord. By default it encourages too many indicators. Tutorials for new accounts, rule modules, every channel has an indicator on it, there's buttons left right and center making you afraid to click anything, then the whispers for joining servers, the list goes on. This is one aspect that I hope Discord spends severe amount of resources looking at in 2024. Which I think they absolutely are capable of doing, but I'm not sure if their investors care about the new user experience sadly.