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Re:The world’s most liveable cities in 2023 by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:03AM (#36428882)
>I spent 8 years living in Vienna followed by 10 years in Berlin (a bit further below in the rating) and I don't feel my quality of life is at all lower here (I much prefer living in Berlin)

Obviously. People and individuals value completely different things for their personal quality of life than whatever variables, weights and values The Economist uses to calculate their scores.

Their formula constantly puts Vienna at the top, a city which also comes out at the top of the least friendly cities for expats surveys, which is an important metric for many expats.

I don't give a damn how livable a city is on paper in some random statistic, and especially if the computed livability is disproportionately biased towards the locals and against the foreigners (FPÖ, the far right party in Austria founded by Nazis, keeps getting 22% to 32% votes lately, and in Austria you can't vote in national elections if you're not a citizen and it's also disproportionately difficult to become a citizen to vote them out, compared to all other EU countries, so you'll be stuck in "taxation without representation" limbo, working to fund the coffers of a country where nearly a third of citizens hate your kind)

My point is, livability means far more for most people than whatever The Economist measures, and I'm tired their trope keeps being regurgitated every year everywhere like it's some ground truth on livability. It's not. Livability means so much more, that The Economist doesn't talk about.

Re:The world’s most liveable cities in 2023 by galkk on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:24AM (#36429015)
> , and in Austria you can't vote in national elections if you're not a citizen

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that it is norm for significant majority of countries in the world. Personally, I think that non-citizens should be allowed to vote on local elections (up to the city level), as they're impacted by local policies as residents, but on national level it is ok if only citizens can vote.

Re:The world’s most liveable cities in 2023 by MrDresden on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:38AM (#36429095)
This is the way in Iceland. After some minimal amount of time of residence (~1 year) a person will be able to vote in the local elections.

Citizenship (able to be gained after ~6 years of residency) is required for national elections.

Re:The world’s most liveable cities in 2023 by MrDresden on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:46AM (#36429856)
(Too late for an edit so a comment it is)

Need to correct that the following is how this works in Iceland:

- Icelandic citizen, at least 18 years of age with legal domicile in the municipality in question

- They are either Finnish, Norwegian, Danish or Swedish citizens and fulfill later half of first requirement

- Any other citizen of another state that has had residency in Iceland for 3 years consecutively and fulfills the later half of the first requirement.

So any scandinavian, of age, who moves their domicile to Iceland can immediatly participate in the municipality votes, while others require a 3 year wait.

Re:The world’s most liveable cities in 2023 by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:26AM (#36429031)
As i emphasized in my comment, the difference is in many EU countries it's very easy to get citizenship after 4-6 years wile also keeping your original citizenship and not being forced into military service, so you can vote on nationals and vote out the ultra-right-wingers.

In Austria that's not the case. Any talks about easing up the restrictions on gaining citizenship, allowing dual citizenship or removing mandatory military service for citizens, end up smothered quickly by nationalistic and populist arguments along the lines of "foreigners should have to walk through glass to prove they're worthy for the privilege of becoming one of us".

Becoming a citizen in the UK or Belgium is a rubber stamp in comparison.

Re:The world’s most liveable cities in 2023 by rolisz on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:18AM (#36428976)
Where can you vote without being a citizen? I think across all of Europe you have to be a citizen to be able to vote.
Re:The world’s most liveable cities in 2023 by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:20AM (#36428988)
See the emphasis in my comment on the extreme difficulty of getting citizenship, meaning you'll most likely never be able to vote, unlike other EU countries were getting citizenship a very easy if you've worked and paid taxes a few years.
Re:The world’s most liveable cities in 2023 by jhoechtl on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:43AM (#36429128)
Maybe a cohesive society where only those living there long term having a vote contributes to being worlds most lively city?
Re:The world’s most liveable cities in 2023 by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:51AM (#36429887)
Maybe, if all you want is your country to be a giant retirement home for the ageing locals with a stagnating economy based on Airbnbs/museums fleecing tourists to admire its cohesiveness, but maybe not, if you want your country to be an attractive place for innovative companies to set up shop and for highly skilled people to settle and replace your ageing population to ensure long term economic competitiveness in global growth sectors.

Check Austrian tech wages and number of successful Austrian tech companies to see what I mean. Anti-immigrant policies and conservative attitudes towards foreigners, cut both ways. There's a reason big-tech opened offices in Switzerland and Germany but avoids Austria.

Re:The world’s most liveable cities in 2023 by jhoechtl on Thursday June 22, 2023 @04:26PM (#36438409)
> There's a reason big-tech have offices in Switzerland

Besides ETH, low corporate income taxes and one of the most secretive banking systems ... what? On open minded society? You've obviously never been to Switzerland. Swirzerland is one of the most cohesive and closed societies in the world.

Re:The world’s most liveable cities in 2023 by trog on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:42AM (#36429837)
I'm an Australian, but I lived in the UK from 2016 to 2018. I was able to vote in UK elections (including Brexit) despite not being a citizen, because I'm part of the Commonwealth.