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Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by ben7799 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @12:25PM (#36420598)
Yep, and Apple maps doesn't do the most annoying thing that Google/Waze do.. show me an Ad when I'm stopped which prevents me from looking at the map and getting my bearings while I'm stopped and it's actually safe to do so.

Apple used to get some things boneheadedly wrong and it's hard to go back to an App that's done that but it has gotten really good, and the UX has been vastly better than the Google products for a long time. Much more legible at dashboard distance, much more clear, not showing popup POI locations based on advertising that you aren't interested in, voice directions are much better, etc..

It feels like both Waze and Google Maps have stood still for the last 10 years, at least if you're using them on the iPhone.

Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by DropInIn on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @12:27PM (#36420642)
Ads while navigating?

I've never experienced that.... That would be insane...

Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by ixwt on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @12:51PM (#36421038)
I've seen them. The ones I have seen are more like pins on the map for locations that clearly say Ad on them.
Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by KnobbleMcKnees on Thursday June 22, 2023 @02:44AM (#36428746)
I've seen this in search results where there is a promoted top result. I've never seen it while navigating, and I use it daily.

A quick search confirms that they do exist so I wonder if they're not rolled out, or potential non legal, in Europe.

Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by majormajor on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @12:58PM (#36421146)
I get audio ones, I haven't seen screen ones.

"Turn right at McDonald's" and such.

(It's possible that that's not an ad, just something they thought was a convenient feature, but it sure sounds like the thing that they'd figure out a way to monetize even if it didn't start that way.)

Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by jedberg on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @01:13PM (#36421393)
That's not an audio ad. They've identified recognizable signage using street view and then use that to help guide you, because usually it's easier to see the McDonalds than the small street sign behind it.
Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by majormajor on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @01:23PM (#36421524)
Seems like leaving money on the table if they aren't getting paid for that. It's brand advertising gold for the shops.

Anyway, my family doesn't care for them. No thanks for another machine sticking brand names into our lives. Hopefully Apple doesn't adopt the same feature.

Especially since - and this is the part that makes it feel most like an ad - it's really seems only to be for certain big brands. "Street name, street name, street name, WENDY'S, street name..."

Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by et-al on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:20PM (#36422234)
Oh c'mon, like jedberg said, fast food chain restaurants and gas stations usually have good signage for driving (hat tip Learning from Las Vegas), so it makes sense to use them as visual milestones.

I love Naomi Klein and all, but sometimes looking for small side street sign while everyone's going at least 45mph on a stroad is nearly impossible.

Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by jedberg on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:49PM (#36422655)
> No thanks for another machine sticking brand names into our lives. Hopefully Apple doesn't adopt the same feature.

I actually find it super useful. I remember the first time it happened to me, because I was surprised but also super pleased.

I was driving and it said "turn into the driveway after the Good Earth sign". And sure enough, I would have totally missed the nearly hidden driveway right past the Good Earth, but the sign on the restaurant was so big it was impossible to miss, even on the 45mph stroad I was on.

Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by JohnFen on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:10PM (#36422113)
I disagree. I absolutely see it as an ad, using driving directions as the trojan horse to sneak it in.
Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by parl_match on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:23PM (#36422303)
Well, it's not. And they're not paid for it.
Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by JohnFen on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @04:16PM (#36423770)
Whether or not it's intended as an ad, and whether or not they're getting paid for it, kinda doesn't really matter. I perceive it as a kind of advertising, probably because it came around when maps was adding all sorts of other advertising as well, and advertising was the final straw that drove me away from Google Maps.

I also find it a much less useful way of indicating directions, but I recognize that's just because my brain works differently. That's not a criticism of doing it that way.

Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by tracerbulletx on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @06:53PM (#36425818)
It's literally the only thing that matters to the question of whether or not it's an ad. Imagine telling your grandma 30 years ago you don't appreciate her advertising to you because she used a business as a navigational reference giving directions to her house. Absurd.
Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by JohnFen on Thursday June 22, 2023 @11:12AM (#36433374)
Eh, to each his own. My grandma is not Google. Google has earned a high degree of suspicion and mistrust. My grandma has not.

Besides, she wouldn't have done that. She would have been more likely to give me directions in a way that is more useful to me than that, because she knows me.

Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by saiya-jin on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @12:50PM (#36421026)
This is definitely NOT the behavior of Google maps in any android device (always default rom) I ever had, never saw any ad as you describe, and I keep using them daily... don't you have by any chance crapware-infested-from-manufacturer brand like Xiaomi or Huawei?
Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by gnicholas on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @01:15PM (#36421412)
My Waze app shows me ads when I'm stopped too. On my iPhone.
Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by Grazester on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @01:40PM (#36421774)
Google maps doesn't do this and that is what the op was stating.
Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by gnicholas on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:04PM (#36422043)
The original comment referred to Google/Waze doing this, which is why I chimed in.
Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by astrange on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:51PM (#36422698)
Google owns Waze, so it is "Google/Waze".

Apple Maps also rarely tells you to make unprotected left turns against traffic, whereas Waze will happily give you nearly impossible but theoretically faster directions.

Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by justsomeadvice0 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:44PM (#36422599)
Agree the quality of Apple Maps has improved to the point of acceptability in my experience. In addition to privacy reasons, I end up using Apple Maps because Google Maps has been having a lot of really terrible bugs for me lately. Probably 10+ times over the last few years it re-routes me down random side streets or back country roads, for no reason: sometimes even when it itself thinks doing so will add a significant amount of time to my travel! But for business search and reviews, Gmaps is still unparalleled, so it stays installed.
Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by darreninthenet on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:44PM (#36426328)
Certainly my experience (UK based) is that whilst Apple Maps has got much better, it's still pretty terrible and gives outright wrong lane guidance and motorway exit information quite often... Waze is virtually faultless in all the time I've used it.
Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by halostatue on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:16PM (#36426935)
I use Apple Maps extensively when I’m in Scotland and have not gotten bad directions even on single-track roads in the Highlands (IIRC, its directions to the Fairy Glen on Skye are impeccable; the directions to the Fairy Pools are only slightly worse, but that’s because the parking lot went through fairly recent construction a few years ago).
Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by darreninthenet on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:44AM (#36429847)
My wife (used to) swear by Apple Maps and was driving us to the NEC a few weeks ago - when exiting us off the A14 we would have gone completely the wrong way and up the M6 past Birmingham and northbound if we'd followed it's lane guidance - it also had the exit number completely wrong.

If it wasn't for me being slightly familiar with the route and advising my wife to ignore it that's what would have happened.

I've had similar problems, again mostly with lane guidance on exiting/splitting motorways, in Kent as well so I won't touch it with a barge pole now... I can't recall Waze ever letting me down

Re:Facebook almost acquired Waze, but we ended up with Google by justsomeadvice0 on Sunday July 02, 2023 @11:38PM (#36568466)
I have never tried Waze, forgot there was a third option. Will have to give it a try after reading this thread; maybe it avoids some of the bugs in gmaps I keep running into