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Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by c00lio on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:56PM (#36410442)
Oxygen is just about running out in the next few hours, they don't seem to have had any sonar contact, no cable or underwater phone. Getting something like a DSRV (which wouldn't really help if they are at ground level there, because it cannot dive that deep) there will take at least a day. Even if they are still alive, their chances of rescue are nonexistent.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by jvm___ on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:04PM (#36410593)
The best 'find things on the bottom of the ocean' gear is usually on a ship somewhere, but just happens to be in-between ships, but is on the Jersey islands in the English Channel. Except it still needs a military cargo plane to retrieve it, deliver it to Newfoundland and be moved by ship on location.

Time isn't on their side.

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by TimothyBJacobs on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:03PM (#36410563)
> Oxygen is just about running out in the next few hours,

Official reports have been saying 40 hours a few hours ago.

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by jacurtis on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @06:51PM (#36411839)
Yes there were oxygen scrubbers on-board that had an estimated endurance to provide clean air for about 5 days for 5 people.

It has come out that it is wildly untested and optimistic estimate. The longest mission they had conducted onboard was 12 hours. So the theoretical limit may not be realistic. If there was panic onboard, that would increase oxygen usage dramatically, which could cut as much as 25% off the estimate (which is nearly a day in this case).

In other words... it is grim.

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by dikei on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:01PM (#36413446)
Nitpick: it's CO2 scrubbers, not O2. A scrubber primary mission is to absorb CO2, not generate O2.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by datameta on Thursday June 22, 2023 @10:00AM (#36432291)
So they will peacefully fall into sleep due to hypoxia instead of a slowly rising sense of impending doom as would result from rising C02 levels.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by jacurtis on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @06:45PM (#36411772)
Yeah at this point, it seems that catastrophe struck 90 mins or so into the dive. That is when contact was lost.

They were early enough into the dive that they would have abandoned the dive after losing contact, they would have only been about halfway to the bottom, and they still would need communication to even find the titanic. So if they lost contact, the mission would have been aborted inside the sub, because they wouldn't have any hope of completing the mission without the aid of the surface vessel.

There are several emergency surfacing options available on the sub in addition to the primary propulsion method. If the sub lost contact, it would have surfaced. That is what happened in several other missions this company has made where communication was lost.

So the fact that communication was lost and no attempt to surface was made, suggests that there was a catastrophic failure. At the pressure they were at, the smallest leak would lead to immediate implosion. The most likely scenario is that they experienced a crack or defect in the hull that lead to implosion. It was likely over before anyone onboard even was aware of a problem (or within seconds of it).

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by selimnairb on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @08:11PM (#36412576)
What “mission”? There’s no mission here. These were people with more money than sense going sightseeing where they have no business being.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by greiskul on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @12:19AM (#36414350)
Mission is a perfectly valid word for describing an outing of a submarine, specially when most of the discussion is surrounding the technical aspects of it. Do you also get angry when a business describes something as mission critical?
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by selimnairb on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @06:03AM (#36416575)
> Do you also get angry when a business describes something as mission critical?

Not if they are doing something useful to others.

Are hikers who get lost on a mission?

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by civilitty on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:03AM (#36417382)
mission [1]:

    (1) a specific task with which a person or a group is charged
    (2) a definite military, *naval*, or aerospace task
So in answer to your question, yes. If hikers wanted to call their hike a mission it is well within their rights. Merriam-Webster isn’t going to stop them.

You should seriously find better things to do with your life than obtuse rebellion against dictionary definitions. It makes you look like an illiterate nonce.

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mission

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by selimnairb on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:57AM (#36417861)
You're the one who cited the dictionary.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by civilitty on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:12AM (#36418010)
You complained about diction. I cited a dictionary.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by wetmore on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:27AM (#36418164)
It's actually really common in the outdoor recreation world to refer to an outing of some sort as a mission.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by iancmceachern on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @12:51PM (#36421036)
I refer to a trip to the grocery store as a mission sometimes
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by harpiaharpyja on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:26AM (#36418865)
Yes, this is not an uncommon usage of the word.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by selimnairb on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:43AM (#36419085)
Sadly puffery and euphemism are all too common.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by ssnistfajen on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @09:30PM (#36413232)
Implosion is probably the second best possible outcome after being rescued. The alternative of slowly running out of oxygen in 96hrs with no possibility to self-rescue is a level of grueling horror no one should experience.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by cyanydeez on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:04PM (#36413471)
Implosion should hit sensors though. Maybe they just took on water and drowned.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by raxxorraxor on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @03:01AM (#36415309)
How likely is it that they actually have survaced but nobody found them yet? Would sonar pick them up if their engines are out? How likely is a visual contact on the ocean if the sub drifted a few miles?
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by c00lio on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @05:52AM (#36416507)
Under water, sonar could pick them up, but sonar is mostly "look down". If a current dragged them somewhere outside the immediate vicinity, they'll be hard to find, because the search vessel needs to be within at most 4km to find them in the water if they are drifting. Far less on the ground, because eliminating and processing ground echos is extremely hard.

If they are on the surface, getting them by sonar is not possible, but aerial surveillance might find them. However, things are very hard to see in the ocean if there are waves. They might have an AIS locator which would transmit their position and an emergency signal, but maybe they skimped on that too, because the submarine-rated ones are expensive.

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by N19PEDL2 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @05:23AM (#36416288)
Shouldn't a sudden implosion be easily detected by hydroacoustic buoys? When submarine ARA San Juan collapsed underwater its sound was detected.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by c00lio on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @05:46AM (#36416453)
Maybe. Sound travels longer distances in water than in air, but there still is a limit. And hydrophone chains and buoys are probably not dense enough to hear everything.

Volume is also an issue, the Titan is far smaller than a military sub, so the sonar spike corresponding to the implosion will be shorter and of a smaller amplitude.

The sonar on their surface vessel should have picked up the noise, if they have one that does recordings and passive mode. But I guess they were too cheap for that as well, since no regular sonar surveilance of the sub is mentioned in the press.