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Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by tinus_hn on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:33AM (#36401210)
Yes, the moderators were just expressing their loyalty by trying to damage the company hosting their community!
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by nindalf on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:38AM (#36401239)
They were expressing their loyalties by saying they want to keep working for free for the company … as long as their tools aren’t deliberately broken by the company. Moderators can’t moderate without the API.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by yanderekko on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:59AM (#36401412)
>They were expressing their loyalties by saying they want to keep working for free for the company … as long as their tools aren’t deliberately broken by the company

Reddit is under no obligation to find these terms acceptable. Moderators absolutely can moderate without the API.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by lijok on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:07AM (#36401462)
> Moderators absolutely can moderate without the API.

Practically, and literally impossible. There's CP and other illegal material being posted in these subs every second. Without API access, you have to have dozens of moderators at all times checking every single incoming post.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by kristopolous on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:14AM (#36401511)
Not to mention spam. There's lots of bots posting just avalanches of garbage upvoted by click farms.

It's like these people are coming in driving cars and Reddit management is offering a sturdy pair of walking shoes to try to keep up with them.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by typon on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:27AM (#36401597)
Reddit found the one real solution for dealing with spam (human workers) for FREE and pissed it down the drain.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by kristopolous on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:59AM (#36401816)
I think it's an exemplar of what's wrong with the modern firm.

C-level management seems to be an insular royal court far removed from the actual mechanics of what makes their company run and not familiar with where the hard work is done and what's the value lost in getting rid of it. It's destructively hierarchical and makes things undirected, disjointed and clashing.

Incoherent executions and incredulous decisions abound. The current practices are clearly idiotic.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by Howitzer on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @06:50AM (#36402182)
Maybe exactly because of this. Every social media is battling spam, and Reddit hasn't to such an extent. They don't know the value of what they have
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by yanderekko on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:38PM (#36411044)
Except it wasn't actually free, that's the entire issue..
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by typon on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:23PM (#36413607)
The labour was free - the tools required were not. That's a miniscule cost compared to the labour if they _actually_ had to pay for it.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by yanderekko on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @12:18AM (#36414344)
Okay, but Reddit would sensibly prefer free labor + cheap tooling over free labor + costly tooling.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by yanderekko on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:36AM (#36404669)
So you seriously expect that when June 30th rolls around, basically all major subs are going to be flooded with CP and moderators across the site will be overwhelmed, plunging everything into chaos? That's an amazing prediction - guess we'll see how it plays out.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by lijok on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @01:53PM (#36407848)
I wonder whether Reddit C-suite are thinking exactly like this and that's what's causing these misguided decisions.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by yanderekko on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:31PM (#36408432)
I mean, if moderating is going to become literally impossible than the moderators should provide more sober, detailed arguments for why this is the case. As far as I'm aware this just hasn't been done. It's just "we have these tools we like and we don't want to lose them", which is a far weaker argument. If there's a serious rationale for why moderating will suddenly require 10x the effort or whatever as before, I'd love to see it.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by lijok on Thursday June 22, 2023 @04:44AM (#36429518)
Fully agree
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by randomdata on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:42AM (#36404756)
> There's CP and other illegal material being posted in these subs every second.

Oh well? That is a job for the police to deal with, not an unpaid moderator with a hobby. If you want to help out in your free time, cool, but beyond that, who cares?

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by lijok on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @01:50PM (#36407789)
What argument in response to "Moderators absolutely can moderate without the API." are you making here?
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by randomdata on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:21PM (#36408270)
Of what purpose would getting into an argument serve? I ask, why would a mod care if someone else posts something illegal to a forum they don't own?
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by lijok on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:25PM (#36408348)
That is a great question, but not what is being discussed in this thread
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by randomdata on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:36PM (#36408508)
It is what is being dicussed in this thread branch, stemming from a statement made closer to the root, contextually identified in earlier supplied quote. You don't have to participate in the topic if is not of interest to you, but given that you have shown interest in that topic by replying multiple times now, let's hear what you've got. Or not. I don't care. The comment was never for or about you. If you disappear we'll never notice.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by lijok on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:04PM (#36409711)
You've lost me pal. The discussion was about whether or not subs can be moderated without API access.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by randomdata on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:18PM (#36409891)
What do you hope is gained from this information? The comment was never directed at you, so any difficulty you are having in understanding it is of little consequence.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by poulpy123 on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:18AM (#36401534)
nasty moderator who not only work for free to make money for reddit but also want to keep their tools to make their work easier
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by brohee on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @06:20AM (#36401959)
This statement is supported by you being a long-standing moderator of which subreddit again?
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by tinus_hn on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @07:22PM (#36412147)
Then clearly the only remaining option is to leave. The company doesn’t want them to keep working for free on the old terms, only on the new terms.

We’ll see if they are so irreplaceable as they claim.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by Quarrel on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:17AM (#36401527)
> by trying to damage the company

A lot of the voices and mods that are most prominent are saying that it is Spez that is actively damaging the company.

Christian, Apollo's author, gives a good write up of the recent developments:

https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_t...

One thing missing from this is that obviously reddit is seeing OpenAI and others training AIs on their data and taking the wrong lessons from it. They're hitting the wrong people with misplaced understanding of where the value lies and how to capture it.

Instead Spez seems to see Elon's taking the sword to Twitter as a role model, which I think misunderstands the structural damage that Elon has done to the Twitter community.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by tinus_hn on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @07:14PM (#36412060)
I presume these people have never had a job, where there just is someone else who decides what they are going to do and how they are going to do it. If they did they would see they signed up for a job but with no pay.

The community sees ‘the damage Elon has done to the community’. Corporate sees a company bleeding money being turned around. Regardless if it’s going to work out, investors aren’t going to be happy if their investments have turned into a great community and a monetary loss. It’s not a charity. So they appreciate someone coming in and putting a stop to the charity work and trying to start making money.

That’s why the people that matter, the people with a lot of money, put literal billions of dollars on the line so Musk could buy Twitter. While the people that don’t really matter, the people that block ads, the people that don’t pay, the people that don’t want to play along with the plan to make money, are ignored.

Money talks, bs walks.