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Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by inglor_cz on Sunday June 18, 2023 @02:04PM (#36382659)
For a purported anti-racist, Chomsky seems to be denying us, Slavs and Balts east of the former Iron Curtain, any independent agency. We aren't some dumb American puppets. We have our own countries and history.

And in that history, we used to be under the Russian yoke - someone for a relatively short time (Czechia), someone for centuries (Estonia), and the vast majority of the formerly yoked nations used their first opportunity to bail and swear never again. Which means never again, even at a cost of an all-out defensive war. Fuck Russia and their backward, cynical, violent empire. They view us as escaped satellites that need to be put back into their rightful orbit and we view them, well, as zombified orcs that bring torment, death and general civilizational regression on the tips of their bayonets.

Even countries that escaped that mournful fate, like the Finns, armed themselves to the teeth just to dissuade Russia from ever trying to conquer them again. The upkeep of the Finnish army is a nontrivial part of that small nation's finances, but everyone knows that it is money wisely spent.

As for the Ukrainians, they don't have any reasons to love Russia historically, and much less so after the campaign of terror that Putin unleashed on them. Even cities that were majority Russian-speaking, such as Kharkiv and Odessa, suffered from extensive Russian bombing.

IDK what happens in Chomsky's head that he can see photos from places like Bucha and not understand that the hatred of the Ukrainians against the aggressors is genuine. Perhaps he is deluded enough to consider them fake. As former subjects of Moscow, nope, this is the Russian world in action as we and our ancestors have experienced it.

Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by theironhammer on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @04:49PM (#36424232)
Ukraine tried to ban the Russian language. Ukraine is not sweet and innocent like the lame-stream press would have you believe.

Most Ukrainians wanted peace within Ukraine. It was some others who didn't and they got their wish.

Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by _kbh_ on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:32PM (#36427364)
> Ukraine tried to ban the Russian language.

This is literally not true and even if it was it doesn’t matter it’s their country they can ban Russian if they want.

> Ukraine is not sweet and innocent like the lame-stream press would have you believe.

I’m confused about this justifies the rape, torture and summary executions of civilians as well as the countless other war crimes.

> Most Ukrainians wanted peace within Ukraine. It was some others who didn't and they got their wish.

Russia is the one who decided not to have peace when they decided to break the Budapest memorandum multiple times.

Russia can leave and peace will be had, or Russia can stay and Russians will continue to die in droves.

Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by lisasays on Thursday June 22, 2023 @01:54AM (#36428443)
It’s their country they can ban Russian if they want.

That's quite a chauvinistic attitude to take -- and ignores the complex history of linguistic diversity in Ukraine.

No linguistic expression should be banned anywhere, period, full stop.

(To be clear: this is no way supports what the troll account above you was posting, which was of course pure nonsense).

Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by _kbh_ on Thursday June 22, 2023 @02:40AM (#36428719)
> That's quite a chauvinistic attitude to take -- and ignores the complex history of linguistic diversity in Ukraine.

> No linguistic expression should be banned anywhere, period, full stop.

The point is moot anyway as Russian is not banned in Ukraine, even as Russia is actively invading it.

Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by lisasays on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:46AM (#36431299)
It's not moot, because you said it, and it was an ugly and awful thing to say.

Exactly the same as saying "It's their country, they can do whatever they want to minority X" in any other context.

Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by inglor_cz on Thursday June 22, 2023 @07:32AM (#36430538)
AFAIK about 20 per cent of Ukrainian citizens can't even speak Ukrainian (not just don't prefer to, but actually can't), so trying to ban the language would be an exercise in futility.
Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by lisasays on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:43AM (#36431267)
Of course it's never going to happen. I was referring the attitude expressed. Which is (on its own terms) quite obnoxious.