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Re:Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2018) by myshpa on Saturday June 17, 2023 @06:05PM (#36375173)
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/chris-brooks-david-g...

"You make a distinction between bullshit jobs and shit jobs in your book. Can you talk a little bit about the distinction between the two?

Well it’s fairly straightforward: shit jobs are just bad jobs. Ones you’d never want to have. Back-breaking, underpaid, unappreciated, people who are treated without dignity and respect… The thing is for the most part, shit jobs aren’t bullshit, in the sense of pointless, nonsensical, because actually they usually involve doing something that genuinely needs to be done: driving people around, building things, taking care of people, cleaning up after them…

Bullshit jobs are most often paid quite well, involve nice benefit packages, you’re treated like you’re important and actually are doing something that needs to be done — but in fact, you know you’re not. So in that way they’re typically opposites."

> At McD's, perhaps: "Remember folks, we're getting hungry people fed, hard working folks deserve a fresh hot meal"

McD is a prime example of a bullshit sector.

"Bullshit jobs are ones ... that if the job (or even sometimes the entire industry) were to disappear, it would make ... the world ... a better place. "

> Livestock and climate change: what if the key actors in climate change are... cows, pigs, and chickens? ... https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Livestock-and-climate-...

> Rapid global phaseout of animal agriculture has the potential to stabilize greenhouse gas levels for 30 years and offset 68 percent of CO2 emissions this century .. https://journals.plos.org/climate/article?id=10.1371/journal...

> Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth ... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding...

> In terms of carbon sequestration and dealing w/ climate, it is clear that agricultural land use(especially land used for animal feed) is the largest barrier to ecosystem restoration. Potential for carbon sequestration is enormous (literally enough for the entire 1.5C carbon budget) ... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-020-00603-4.

Re:Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2018) by cylinder714 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @06:30PM (#36375359)
I'll make you a deal, comrade: I'll eat bugs when Klaus Schwab, John Kerry and Bill Gates eat bugs.
Re:Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2018) by myshpa on Saturday June 17, 2023 @06:43PM (#36375490)
No need to eat bugs, eat vegetables, fruits, legumes, grains, nuts and seeds, comrade, and you'll help save the environment for your children.
Re:Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2018) by jaggederest on Sunday June 18, 2023 @12:48AM (#36377414)
A bullshit sector, but the jobs themselves are not "bullshit jobs". Also, the climate change stuff here is a total non sequitur, stick to the discussion. I agree with you - everyone should eat a plant-based diet - but it's incredibly off-putting in this context. The worst part about being vegan is other vegans. There will always be food service jobs, and they will always be tedious and taxing, and also not bullshit jobs. That would still be true even if they were serving ideologically-correct foodstuff.
Re:Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2018) by myshpa on Sunday June 18, 2023 @05:22AM (#36378592)
> A bullshit sector, but the jobs themselves are not "bullshit jobs"

If a sector (industry) is bullshit, the jobs are too.

> the climate change stuff here is a total non sequitur

I was reacting to

'with a good manager, they will remind you of the meaning inherent in the work. At McD's, perhaps: "Remember folks, we're getting hungry people fed, hard working folks deserve a fresh hot meal"'

Serving hungry people "fresh" hot meal does not alone make it non-bullshit job. Maybe I was not clear enough ... consuming meat & dairy destroys the environment (and animal agriculture is the main culprit), and not consuming meat & dairy is a best way to stop anthropocenic crisis (overshoot). There are enough peer reviewed scientific studies that confirm that. Ask if you want more sources.

> The worst part about being vegan is other vegans

Funny, but somehow relevant: https://i.redd.it/xuwnig93hg6b1.jpg

> There will always be food service jobs, and they will always be tedious and taxing ... serving ideologically-correct foodstuff

By definition those are not bullshit jobs.