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Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by JoeAltmaier on Saturday June 17, 2023 @05:37PM (#36374912)
This is all about chemistry and genetics. But nothing on 'why roses smell nice'.

It's really a puzzle. Why on earth should Homo Sapiens consider a rose's smell to be 'nice'? Dogs like roses' smell about the same as shit. They don't give a damn.

Further, why are rainbows pretty? Why is a waterfall inspiring? And on and on.

You have to have some kind of special model to explain this, I think. Something beyond simple reproductive survival. But I don't know what.

Anyway, interesting that we all smell slightly differently! So indeed qualia is a bigger issue than we may have thought.

Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by throwaway462910 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @05:56PM (#36375070)
I've seen the argument before that humans find flowers pretty because they indicate fertile land, where there are flowers there will be animals, etc. Impossible to really know, I suppose.
Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by yen223 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @11:06PM (#36376944)
Anyone who's done any gardening would find that fertilizer - both natural and otherwise - do not smell pleasant.
Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by yunohn on Sunday June 18, 2023 @04:10AM (#36378240)
Fertile land exists naturally without the manual addition of manure fertiliser.
Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by JoeAltmaier on Sunday June 18, 2023 @08:25AM (#36379610)
...and smells much the same!
Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by melagonster on Sunday June 18, 2023 @07:04AM (#36379096)
our monkey brain this mean fruits later, maybe.
Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by varjag on Saturday June 17, 2023 @06:03PM (#36375152)
It could possibly be ancestral from some specie that relied on flowers in a more direct way.
Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by JoeAltmaier on Sunday June 18, 2023 @06:44AM (#36379005)
Rainbows then? A pretty rock? A lone tree on a remote hilltop illuminated by a sunrise?
Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by varjag on Sunday June 18, 2023 @12:04PM (#36381462)
These are definitely higher order experiences (requiring perhaps consciousness) that have nothing to do how your olfactory nerves were once wired.
Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by peepeepoopoox on Saturday June 17, 2023 @06:59PM (#36375613)
Arboreal human ancestors ate a lot of fruit.
Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by lovemenot on Saturday June 17, 2023 @07:44PM (#36375912)
Not all rose types smell as nice as others. There are countless types, all bred for specific characteristics over hundreds of years.

If one such characteristic is pleasant smell (and why would it not be), then the answer is obvious. By and large, roses smell nice because human bred them to.

Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by rcme on Sunday June 18, 2023 @12:38AM (#36377360)
That may explain why roses smell nice, but many wildflowers smell nice too.
Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by seszett on Sunday June 18, 2023 @02:47AM (#36377928)
> By and large, roses smell nice because human bred them to.

That theory seems unlikely to me since wild roses smell good.

I would say that the modern roses that don't smell good have instead lost their smell because they were selected on other criteria.

Re:Why Your Roses Smell Nice by rcme on Sunday June 18, 2023 @12:39AM (#36377366)
Dogs actually are quite interested in the smell of shit.