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Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by w10-1 on Thursday June 15, 2023 @06:12PM (#36347369)
I'm sad to see this, not b/c I like Google, but because domain names are otherwise a manipulative space, and Google was saving us from that.

Domain service - name registry - is a weird market because it includes cross-subsidizing businesses and the information has value (and people will pay for anonymity to avoid hassle), so buy decisions aren't just price/performance.

Google and Cloudflare can offer it near cost just to build goodwill in their clients (i.e., to save them from predation). Cloudflare promises for renewals to only pass through their costs, which makes sense (they make back their customer acquisition cost on the first purchase).

What's the business model of others like porkbun? By hypothesis, you have to pay more to go without the cross-subsidy. If cost is on par, then you might expect them to be marketing the information or to customers somehow. Perhaps just making it back on anonymity charges?

At a minimum, the company would need to have some real reputational concerns about maintaining good relations with customers. E.g., with porkbun, it's super-cute in an ostensibly-benign jurisdiction, but it's a completely hidden LLC who's privacy concerns seem limited only to WHOIS anonymity. What exactly prevents them (or any successor in interest) from misusing the information they have?

On the internet, associating real people with IP's will always be a key goal of governments and criminals, and yet domain name services are a free-for-all with no underlying privacy guarantees.

Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by andersrs on Thursday June 15, 2023 @07:28PM (#36348429)
I have a conspiracy theory that a lot of domain registration companies like GoDaddy sell the domain name searches to squatters (sometimes themselves). The larger cloud companies don't have so much incentive do this. I always look up domains from the terminal.
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by cocoa19 on Thursday June 15, 2023 @09:04PM (#36349485)
I was disturbed by learning squatters no longer just sell domains for big bucks, some of them started to offer them for rent.
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by andersrs on Thursday June 15, 2023 @09:21PM (#36349652)
That's awful. So someone pays them them, builds a website on their property and they still have you by the balls. I guess you'd only rent to add a redirect over to a new domain.

I've just tried negotiating with a squatter. I'm trying to resurrect a web game with a few thousand players which the original dev neglected. I've rebuilt it on another domain but the community have game data stored in the browser localStorage against the original site. I offered US$200 and was told no - not even a counter offer. I believe they see the domains as lotto tickets - it's in their interests to let a lot of the negotiations fall though so they can win big on a few massive deals.

Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by comatory on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:53AM (#36351997)
Whats the game?
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by account42 on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:43AM (#36353394)
I guess that's yet another problem of the web platform - data locked to individual operators and not available to others even when the user wants it to be.
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by kevin_thibedeau on Friday June 16, 2023 @12:54PM (#36359898)
Write an app to extract the data client side.
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by no_wizard on Monday June 19, 2023 @06:24PM (#36397204)
it doesn't work this way with normal dev tools, since local storage is scoped by the domain, other domains can't see whats in your storage
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by zeroonetwothree on Sunday June 18, 2023 @02:15PM (#36382765)
TBF, there's no way that $200 is profitable for them to deal with the hassle of selling. IME offers only start to get accepted once you are in the range of $2000+
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by sam0x17 on Thursday June 15, 2023 @10:28PM (#36350281)
Oh I've confirmed this. Back in the NetworkSolutions days I saw multiple examples of their bot parking a domain I had searched for the previous day.
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by qodeninja on Friday June 16, 2023 @09:19AM (#36356112)
yup, happened to me twice.
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by notatoad on Thursday June 15, 2023 @10:53PM (#36350492)
>The larger cloud companies don't have so much incentive do this. I always look up domains from the terminal.

somebody runs those whois servers. verisign runs .com and they like money just as much as the next guy - i wouldn't expect your lookups of unregistered domains to be unsold no matter how you do them.

Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by eeegnu on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:52PM (#36363671)
Time to use an LLM to sandwich my actual domain name searches between thousands of other similar sounding ones. Let them pay for all of those.
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by supriyo-biswas on Thursday June 15, 2023 @11:50PM (#36350949)
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by TwoNineFive on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:03AM (#36352082)
I've heard Porkbun has weird Chinese ownership and apparently most of their operations are in China.
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by duckmysick on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:46AM (#36352442)
Where did you hear that?
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by qodeninja on Friday June 16, 2023 @09:20AM (#36356120)
sauce?
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by CydeWeys on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:07PM (#36366853)
You must be thinking of someone else. Porkbun is based out of Oregon. The founder is American.
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by drawkbox on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:49AM (#36353464)
I agree Google had trust here and it was nice to have them in the game.

With this infrastructure move especially, it is hard to trust in Google. This can't have been losing money or been that costly. Google why?

Google Domains integrates well with Google Cloud and Google Workspace and other products. Even if it was a loss leader it had to be useful. Tell me how this makes sense.

Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by shawabawa3 on Friday June 16, 2023 @06:20AM (#36354209)
This is what i find strange about this

Surely this was at worse profit neutral, or could have been with a modest price hike, I know I would have continued using them even if their domains were an extra $1/year vs competitors because I trusted them more

Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by vlakreeh on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:57AM (#36355785)
I'm really sad that the list of trustworthy registrars is so small. I use Cloudflare for most of my domains and then Google for my .dev domains but now I'm not sure what I'm going to do with my .dev domains, probably keep them on square space. I'd love for CF to get more TLDs on their registrar because I'm very confident that registration isn't something they'd ever kill but there's a told of niche TLDs they don't have yet.
Re:Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace by aTinyCat on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @04:33AM (#36490362)
Was worried about this too, but CF released a blog post the other day saying they're aiming for mid-July for .dev and .app support. Going to transfer mine over as soon as they do.