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Re:TV is broken by SiVal on Friday February 24, 2012 @04:17PM (#3631067)
Here's a question for my fellow amateur economists: What happens to the quality of broadcast television when you increase the supply of broadcast channel-hours by a factor of 50 and you don't increase the supply of viewers at all?

I used to watch TV, like most people. Then, in the 1990's, the number of channels started increasing. More options, great. Twice as many channels did allow for more specialization, so maybe there were twice as many things I wanted to watch. When it reached four times as many channels, though, there were still only twice as many things I wanted to watch. Ten times as many channels, and now I wasn't sure if there were even twice as many as in the old days, because the budgets for the good shows were being spread among more shows to provide vehicles for more ads in all those new broadcast channel-hours.

Then, along came TiVo. Ah, TV was fun again. I could skim the cream. Couldn't imagine life without it. But as the years passed, the things I grabbed with TiVo were losing quality, too, seemingly bleeding budget to the shows "out there" that my TiVo and I ignored.

Then, my TV set broke. I assumed I'd have to get a new one quickly because, of course, everyone had to have a TV, right? I was sure I'd go crazy without it.

But I didn't. As time passed, I found I grew less motivated to get a new one, not more.

Well, after years of no TV, we finally got one a few weeks ago, so we wouldn't have to gather 'round the laptop for Netflix and slide shows of family vacations. The image is spectacular. But I can't believe what I'm so clearly seeing. They may call themselves The Travel Channel, Discovery Channel, History Channel, Food Network, Science Channel, or whatever, but they're all "Paid Programming", reality for rednecks, and pseudoscience for suckers, punctuated by screaming ads.

Even the islands of quality have clearly suffered extreme beach erosion.

But at least DVR technology has improved. Sorry, JUST KIDDING. You'd think that after years of Moore's Law, Comcast could make a cable box that didn't act as though I was waking it from a nap with each key press. You'd think that a product called an "HD DVR" would have an HD interface (wouldn't you?), instead of one with the display resolution of the lower half of a Nintendo DS. You'd think with so few needles hidden in the haystack of broadcasting, their interface would help you navigate the guide and find shows to watch, but apparently nobody at Comcast HQ has ever used Amazon to find a book.

Either that or they never watch TV.

Re:TV is broken by DanI-S on Friday February 24, 2012 @07:13PM (#3631682)
Some validation: In the UK, the BBC has a pretty fixed budget, a pretty fixed (low) number of channels and a pretty fixed audience. They have continued to produce a high quality output of world-class educational and entertainment TV for a good chunk of the last century.

They also managed to build a free streaming service superior to Hulu, and a bunch of great websites.

It costs $230 per year ($19 per month). And there will never be any ads.

Re:TV is broken by _b8r0 on Saturday February 25, 2012 @08:49AM (#3632900)
Actually the BBC had it's remit massively widened by the last government so that it had to fill sections of DAB, a large amount of Radio channels, Freeview, set up iPlayer and run a whole load of channels that aren't even targeted at the UK (such as BBC Persian), largely to meet the FCO's propaganda needs. Additionally, the dodgy dossier episode has emasculated and distorted large chunks of the BBC's programming leading to some completely bizarre side effects[1].

The BBC still does produce a large amount of quality progamming, but budgets and purposes have been affected. Top Gear for example used to be about cars but is now an entertainment show - a wildly successful entertainment show, but no longer something you'd seriously watch to get an idea of what cars to buy and what to avoid. The BBC is also responsible for the One Show, which one day will be recognised by the UN as a crime against humanity. There's also been considerable dumbing down of shows like the Apprentice and Dragon's Den over time, eschewing quality in favour of personalities and entertainment. The natural history unit still put out good documentaries, but even they're not entirely untarnished[2].

The quality of news has also suffered, particularly thanks to spin doctors in previous administrations, the simon gilligan dodgy dossier affair and other stresses on the BBC. When was the last time you saw a proper debate? The other week I saw Alastair Campbell jogging around forests, talking up the end of civilisation through alcoholic poisoning brought on by drinking at home, demanding minimum pricing as the only way out but completely ignoring the impact of the smoking ban as a factor in home drinking increases. It was a terrible attempt at a documentary and a case study in what's wrong with the BBC at the moment.

I do apologise for getting on my soap box about this, you didn't deserve it for pointing out the good stuff. Still, the BBC is not a perfect organisation and the amount of media it has to produce combined with political interference has meant that quality has dropped, perhaps not as much considering the volume of material it puts out, but it isn't immune.

[1] - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/08/today-pr...

[2] - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/8950070/Fr...

Re:TV is broken by DanI-S on Saturday February 25, 2012 @01:27PM (#3633482)
You definitely make some fair points. The BBC is definitely not a perfect organisation, although most of its value comes from the fact that it is intended to strive to be one.

I'd certainly take commentary from the commercial UK press with a pinch of salt, though. They have a tremendous amount to gain from the BBC's demise.

Re:TV is broken by someone_welsh on Saturday February 25, 2012 @03:38PM (#3633788)
Good points. I generally agree.

But I don't think your second reference is really a fair criticism, and I think this was blown completely out of proportion in the UK. I certainly didn't feel that the series was "tarnished". After all, getting a camera inside an actual polar bear den in the arctic? I think that'd be somewhat invasive. Still a beautifully shot, enjoyable and educational series.

The BBC has also been responsible for all of Adam Curtis's documentaries, which are often excellent, and still get made (although the most recent one was perhaps not so good, but I digress).

Proper debate occasionally happens on Newsnight, although I think Jeremy Paxman's role has developed into some sort of entertainer of late.

They did spend a lot of time paying vast amounts to... Jonathan Ross.

Re:TV is broken by eru on Sunday February 26, 2012 @10:46AM (#3635821)
About Adam Curtis: Watching, say, "All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace" was fun. But I don't see any reason to believe that his other documentaries about subjects I know less about are any more trustworthy than that piece on computers.
Re:TV is broken by DanBC on Friday February 24, 2012 @07:32PM (#3631728)
Legally I don't need a licence but I buy one anyway.
Re:TV is broken by DanI-S on Friday February 24, 2012 @10:49PM (#3632098)
I'm British, but I live in California, and I'm eagerly awaiting the day that I can pay monthly for BBC iPlayer (their streaming service). There are sketchy proxy services available, but it feels terrible to be paying a third party and effectively stealing the content.
Re:TV is broken by cdh on Saturday February 25, 2012 @12:31PM (#3633360)
On the other hand, they could easily provide paid service internationally but choose not to.

It's disingenuous enough when the word 'stealing' is re-purposed in discussions about copyright infringement, since it is very doubtful that every copy of a shared file resulted in an actual loss.

In this case, though, it seems easy enough to establish that the BBC has provided no way to compensate them for viewing their content from the United States. You might be "stealing" bandwidth in some sense, but I don't think it's fair to characterize the content as stolen in this case. The third party (VPN/proxy provider) is paid for network access just like you pay an ISP, not for the content itself.

Re:TV is broken by DanI-S on Saturday February 25, 2012 @01:20PM (#3633471)
"On the other hand, they could easily provide paid service internationally but choose not to."

I doubt it's easy, but they've been working on it for a while now and it should be available fairly soon.

I agree that it may not be fair to characterise the content as 'stolen'; I chose to use that term out of laziness. However, it's definitely not fair to consume the content without paying, either. It increases the financial burden on the UK license payer. Many of the BBC's shows are available to a US audience - you just have to buy them on Amazon, or stream them on Netflix.

Re:TV is broken by DanBC on Saturday February 25, 2012 @01:27PM (#3633484)
This highlights some oddities of the UK TV licensing system. I can listen to BBC radio all day every day; I can use the BBC websites all day every day; I can watch BBC TV programmes on their iPlayer service (so long as the programmes are "catch-up" and not streamed live) and I do not need a licence.

I only need a licence if I watch tv broadcast live. Everything is defined in law; the devices used to receive (which include smart phones and computers) and the signals (which weirdly include for example French telly received via satellite). A person could hate the BBC and all its output and never watch it but still need to pay the licence fee.

Personally, I welcome the BBC but the enforcement of the licence has been sub-optimal in the past.

Re:TV is broken by epscylonb on Saturday February 25, 2012 @02:08PM (#3633578)
Anachronistic is the word you are looking for.

The licence fee made perfect sense when it was created, it arguably has been unfair to consumers since VHS became popular.

Re:TV is broken by cjrp on Saturday February 25, 2012 @05:15AM (#3632646)
iPad only, but I guess it's a start: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14322604
Re:TV is broken by ludwigvan on Saturday February 25, 2012 @05:16PM (#3634008)
Or you could buy a vps in UK (e.g. Linode London) and proxy through it.
Re:TV is broken by shalmanese on Friday February 24, 2012 @07:28PM (#3631711)
According to most people who follow TV closely, it's lead to a TV renaissance. Most people agree that, post-Sopranos, we've been living in a golden age of television with shows like The Wire, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Arrested Development, Community & Louie all being an order of magnitude better than what's gone before it. We're currently suffering from a glut of amazing television and if you haven't been paying attention, that's your fault, not TVs.
Re:TV is broken by Tloewald on Friday February 24, 2012 @08:05PM (#3631791)
The tv shows are great, but the networks and broadcast model are broken. The whole argument about content is missing the point of the original article, which uses a clever slightly askew title to draw in readers.
Re:TV is broken by rdtsc on Friday February 24, 2012 @04:25PM (#3631114)
I have a TV but I am not using it to watch cable broadcast. I have cable but just because it came in a stupid bundle with the internet. So the TV is there but it is used to watch Netflix, Youtube, Amazon and Hulu videos. It is used for games, skype (there is a camera attached to it), also used to browse pictures (since it has a better resolution and color profile than my laptop).

And I have noticed the same effect in respect to commercials. I cannot stand watching them and refuse to watch anything that suddenly interrupts and starts showing commercials (so I stopped using Hulu eventually as well because of it). Extended family members think I am crazy for being so "fussy" and I think they are crazy for putting up with annoying commercials.

Re:TV is broken by SoftwareMaven on Saturday February 25, 2012 @12:52AM (#3632282)
I'm in the same boat. Watching TV at my parents is so annoying. Not worth it at all.
Re:TV is broken by jswinghammer on Friday February 24, 2012 @09:56PM (#3632010)
Well in terms of economics what you're talking about is more specialization and niche audiences being served. HBO made itself into the network to watch smart television during the last decade. Right now that's less true as other networks figured out that people like smart things.

I'd say if you were not watching "The Wire" or "Six Feet Under" that you're missing out on something rather interesting. "The Wire" was unique partially because it was like a very long, very good movie in terms of quality and respect for the audience.

There's so much good television now that I don't have patience for the argument that TV is worthless. I don't turn on the television except to watch something specific but when I do I find the quality seems to get better year after year even with my favorite shows ending. More shows are willing to experiment and try to reach new audiences.

I won't speak to the shows on Discovery or whatever since they sound dumb to me but the shows with actual plot and characters are better than ever.

Re:TV is broken by Retric on Friday February 24, 2012 @06:10PM (#3631536)
Video games and the internet killed TV.

Going from 3 to 300 channels did not help. What really cut into their budget was a steady drop in viewership over time as new toys simply become more compelling than TV. Reality TV is simply what happened when keep cutting the budget.

PS: Seinfeld reportedly turned down a $5 million per-episode offer to continue the show for a 10th year. You can put on a full season of a reality TV show for that.

Re:TV is broken by eyemac on Friday February 24, 2012 @08:13PM (#3631815)
> Ten times as many channels, and now I wasn't sure if there were even twice as many as in the old days.

I dislike the fact that they make such a big deal about the number of channels available. DirectTV, for example, offers between 140 and 285 channels! Who would want to flip through that many channels?!

Re:TV is broken by tsotha on Friday February 24, 2012 @09:05PM (#3631921)
My dad has DirectTV. Sure, it has loads of channels. But once you subtract out all the PPV channels, the really narrow special interest channels (the marlin fishing channel) and the holy rollers there's only twenty or so you'd want to watch, depending on your interests.
Re:TV is broken by ericabiz on Saturday February 25, 2012 @01:44PM (#3633529)
You know TiVos are still around, right? I'm pretty happy with my Series 3 (lifetime subscription.) Just cloned and upgraded the hard drive in it so it should last many more years to come. Works fine with Comcast or any other cable provider--you just have to pay for them to provision cable cards. As a bonus, it also works fine with an antenna.
Re:TV is broken by epscylonb on Saturday February 25, 2012 @02:06PM (#3633573)
The cost of creating the content has come down too, people tend to talk about this more in the context of film but it applies equally to TV too.