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Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by ng12 on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:26PM (#36296147)
> But he fears that most of the companies working on such a project have missed one essential component of lasting success: the fact that people are as much creators as they are consumers. “There isn’t as yet any evidence that people want to have a purely consumptive entertainment experience in social virtual worlds,” he says. “I don’t think there’s any evidence in human history that you can get a billion people to just kind of sit there and veg out, watch stuff. You can’t get to the kind of usage levels that metaverse brands want to get to with a consumer non-participatory experience.”

I think this is the money quote. Meta seemed to be under the impression that people want to invent digital versions of themselves just to consume content and engage with brands.

Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by spamtarget on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:12PM (#36297082)
It appears that modern internet companies fail to understand that a "brand megaphone" is not a desirable product for anyone, except brands of course. The internet is sick now.
Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by ryandrake on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:49PM (#36297849)
Do any real end users really care about "interacting with brands?" If I stack-ranked all the reasons I enjoy the Internet, "Interacting with brands" won't even make the list. What does that even mean? Do people really go online so they can "interact" with Mountain Dew? What would that even look like?

After I wrote that last sentence I checked and indeed the "Mountain Dew" twitter account has 777.2K followers. W--T--F--? Am I the lone crazy person?

Doritos has 870K followers. McDonalds has 4.7M followers. Are these all bots? What real live human being actually wants a twitter feed from Doritos?

Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by RadiozRadioz on Monday June 12, 2023 @02:01PM (#36298081)
> What real live human being actually wants a twitter feed from Doritos?

Somebody who really likes Doritos and wants to know about new flavors, get discounts, et cetera. I'm sure there are plenty of people who fall into that category. Maybe not 870k, but definitely not zero.

Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by thefounder on Monday June 12, 2023 @02:08PM (#36298204)
That really sounds crazy!
Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by npsomaratna on Monday June 12, 2023 @04:15PM (#36300319)
I was about to laugh this away—only to realize that my brother-in-law is one of those people.
Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by rightbyte on Monday June 12, 2023 @02:03PM (#36298120)
They have like lotteries where they e.g. award a free dorito to some new followers etc.
Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by joeman1000 on Monday June 12, 2023 @06:07PM (#36301944)
> What real live human being actually wants a twitter feed from Doritos?

The scary answer: people we share the world with. People on the roads with us. People who make decisions that can impact our lives.

Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by retrocryptid on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:32PM (#36297508)
maybe the metaverse isn't for you. just because you don't want to do a thing doesn't mean there are others out there that do.

maybe all that blather about "the long tail" in the late 90s was spot on. the intarwebs allow small communities of people who are interested in a particular thing to do that particular thing.

if 99.9% of people don't want the hassle of maintaining an alternative identity online, that's fine. but that still means that 0.1% of people do.

if your critique is "the metaverse is laughable because the majority of people don't participate in it" you may be missing the point. if your critique is "it's entirely possible meta over-estimated interest in the metaverse," then i would heartily agree.

i think second-life-like online experiences are useful, but they seem to have been over-hyped (to say the least.)

Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by interestica on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:40PM (#36297677)
What part of their comment are you arguing with? They didn’t say they were against it.
Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by retrocryptid on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:50PM (#36297870)
"Meta seemed to be under the impression that people want to invent digital versions of themselves"
Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by interestica on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @04:02AM (#36307065)
The second part of the sentence that you left out seems to be the significant clause
Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by l33t233372 on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:52PM (#36297909)
I’m confused about what you’re saying here. GP doesn’t imply no one could possibly enjoy metaverse; when they are talking about “what people want,” I think this should be taken as “what [the vast majority of] people want.” This is in line with your .01% business.
Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by anikom15 on Monday June 12, 2023 @02:15PM (#36298328)
The problem is that Facebook appealed to basically everyone. You had young and old alike from various social circles all using the platform.

If Metaverse only appeals to a small group of people, it’s a failure. Because it’s supposed to push Facebook forward, and it’s hard for a company to limit its own market. It could be done successfully by spinning the company off, but for whatever reason they just do not want to do that.

And I think fundamentally VR and virtual worlds is just not going to appeal to a mass market of people. There are so many people who are just not interested in spending time in ‘Techno-world’. These people liked Facebook because (a) they talked to their real friends and (b) it was unobtrusive enough to not bother them. A lot of people quit Facebook as soon as they felt it was encroaching their lives too much.

Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by KineticLensman on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:08PM (#36296986)
Yeah. I spent quite a lot of time in SL - I had an art gallery where I showcased my RL photography and interacted with the visitors when online. My avatar was a sort of steampunk soviet artist, just for the Lulz originally but eventually I really liked it.

I had zero interest in interacting with brands. It was much more fun to go to a public space and sit there coding using the in-world dev tools - something like a radar that sent alerts when people visited your parcel of a land, or a comedy UAV, and then explaining what you were doing to a vampiress or predator or similar.

Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by khedoros1 on Monday June 12, 2023 @11:24PM (#36304780)
I spent just a bit of time. I remember building a jetpack suit and learning just enough of the scripting language the I could make flames come out when I flew around. I worked on it on some kind of free-build island. There was a machine in the background that looked like it took in a constant stream of cows at one end and spat out meat at the other end.

And it was always a toss-up what you'd find in people's little plots of land. Beautiful Japanese garden? Beautiful sex dungeon? Who knows!

Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by mistrial9 on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:25PM (#36297346)
no - Meta wants to be the front-face of a system of Digital Twins, where only official records are legally valid, and access to those records is monitored, and changing those records involves opaque backrooms. Many Fortune 500 have already committed, and multiple small implementations are being used now.
Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by l33t233372 on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:53PM (#36297941)
I’m sorry to be blunt, but what on earth are you talking about?

Could you please provide a heap of more context — this reads like conspiracy nonsense upon first glance.

Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by mistrial9 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @01:07PM (#36421301)
Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by mistrial9 on Friday June 23, 2023 @11:04AM (#36447820)
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Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by phh on Monday June 12, 2023 @02:04PM (#36298127)
Having tested Meta Horizon (which I think is supposed to be current Meta's metaverse? But I could be wrong), It's completely user-generated content, there is very little company-generated content.(there is very little content altogether but that's another joke) So I have a hard time understanding that comment...?
Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by jayd16 on Monday June 12, 2023 @02:51PM (#36299017)
This is true and its so painful reading these armchair comments. Meta is focused on games and UGC but you'd never know if you read the median comment here.
Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by ng12 on Monday June 12, 2023 @04:35PM (#36300660)
I would then argue that there was (still is?) a massive marketing failure, probably because there was a greater focus on marketing to companies than users.

My perspective is that I was pretty into VRChat at the time and found no compelling reason to even try the early Metaverse.

Re:Who needs the Metaverse? Meet the people still living on ... by yoz on Monday June 12, 2023 @02:23PM (#36298484)
Meta's virtual world projects always give me the sense that they're aimed at set of personas/demographics that has almost zero overlap with the people actually running or building those projects.

That's why they fail. Virtual worlds - almost like real ones - are super-platforms, not applications. The interactions are too varied and complex to reduce to a set of simple primary use cases or personas.

So, if you're building a virtual world that you yourself wouldn't want to use, you're almost certainly going to fail.