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Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by hgsgm on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:45PM (#36286495)
Encrypt the email, rotate and delete keys after 18months.
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by OJFord on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:39PM (#36286879)
How do you recover a deleted unencrypted email?
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by rblatz on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:50PM (#36286536)
Or just set a company policy around email retention. Then delete anything older than that?

Apple chose to keep these emails around because the value of the emails was greater than the risk of keeping them.

Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by macintux on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:54PM (#36286565)
The company to whom I'm currently contracted has a 2-month retention policy on inboxes and it drives me crazy.
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by rblatz on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:29PM (#36286805)
Are they engaged in generally questionable behavior? Otherwise I can’t imagine why they’d have such a short retention policy.
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by macintux on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:40PM (#36286883)
No, and it can be worked around by copying emails to folders, it's just annoying.
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by detourdog on Monday June 12, 2023 @06:21AM (#36291148)
Apple is secretive not sneaky they aren’t trying to trick anybody. They are working on human centric computing. They have had human interface guidelines and the preservation of those guidelines is maintained through app review.

I’m sure that some form of side loading will appear soon. My guess is that all the privacy and integration will be held at arms length from the rest of the ecosystem and may just use webkit to access the user data.

Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by tracerbulletx on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:02PM (#36286637)
Public companies are required by law to retain email for 7 years I believe.
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by tambourine_man on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:41PM (#36286893)
That would explain it. But then again, why not use Signal or something similar for sensitive topics.
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by samspenc on Sunday June 11, 2023 @08:34PM (#36287191)
Several employees of the world's largest banks actually tried this. Result? Almost $2 billion in fines.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/wall-street-to-pay-1-8-billion-...

Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by tambourine_man on Monday June 12, 2023 @09:17AM (#36292936)
That’s interesting, thanks.

Article is paywalled, but how can it be proved they’re using something like Signal? There must be at least some discussion available to be disclosured on request by law? How do they define if the subject is relevant enough to require a formal exchange between executives?

The world of big public companies is fascinating.

Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by asveikau on Sunday June 11, 2023 @10:23PM (#36287761)
I have to imagine any requirements on email retention would apply to signal too, and that your phone with its local plaintext database can be subpoenaed.

The threat model for signal is not to get you out of your legal obligation to comply with court orders.

Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by Golden_Wind123 on Sunday June 11, 2023 @11:11PM (#36288017)
I don't understand? As long as someone has the relevant decrypted message chain it can be subpoenaed.
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by maximilianroos on Sunday June 11, 2023 @11:02PM (#36287975)
Based on what?
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by tracerbulletx on Sunday June 11, 2023 @11:27PM (#36288132)
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by maximilianroos on Wednesday June 14, 2023 @10:01PM (#36335521)
This is exclusively about audits
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by RandomBK on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:08AM (#36288345)
The aforementioned Sarbanes-Oxley act, plus the principle of "negative inference" in civil suits which dictates that a court can infer that someone refusing to testify (or destroying evidence) has something to hide. There's no 'plead the 5th' in civil suits.
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by JumpCrisscross on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:18AM (#36288404)
> Public companies are required by law to retain email for 7 years I believe

Public companies have to keep audit-related communications, but not something like this [1]. It comes more from civil litigation, where the standard of proof is the preponderance of evidence. If I sue you and produce partial records, and you say you deleted everything, that can be used against you.

[1] https://www.intradyn.com/email-retention-laws/

Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by mvdtnz on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:23PM (#36286762)
So why not just delete the emails?
Re:Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) by judge2020 on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:48PM (#36286516)
Unlike Google, Apple isn't trying to hide anything (post-High-Tech Employee Antitrust Litigation)